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"Non-fat" milk, ice cream, yogurt etc.
Anyone else have a problem with this?
I always thought it was purely American, but it has now invaded England. I blame Starbucks, who already have a lot to answer for, being largely responsible for "skim milk".
"Non-fat" seems wrong to me, but I can't quite put my finger on why. I have no issue with high-fat, medium-fat or low-fat, or with full-fat - but "non-fat" doesn't seem to belong in this group. I would have said zero-fat or no-fat, if we were starting from scratch.
I think the problem is that it sounds as though you are saying that the milk isn't fat, as in "Right then, let's have all the fatties on this side, and all the non-fatties on that side". This is obviously different from saying that there is no fat in it.
Non-fatty milk would scan OK, but doesn't really have the same meaning.
Is this just me?
Mickey.
Anyone else have a problem with this?
I always thought it was purely American, but it has now invaded England. I blame Starbucks, who already have a lot to answer for, being largely responsible for "skim milk".
"Non-fat" seems wrong to me, but I can't quite put my finger on why. I have no issue with high-fat, medium-fat or low-fat, or with full-fat - but "non-fat" doesn't seem to belong in this group. I would have said zero-fat or no-fat, if we were starting from scratch.
I think the problem is that it sounds as though you are saying that the milk isn't fat, as in "Right then, let's have all the fatties on this side, and all the non-fatties on that side". This is obviously different from saying that there is no fat in it.
Non-fatty milk would scan OK, but doesn't really have the same meaning.
Is this just me?
Mickey.
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[nq:1]"Non-fat" milk, ice cream, yogurt etc. Anyone else have a problem with this? I always thought it was purely American, ...
- [nq:1]"Non-fat" milk, ice cream, yogurt etc.
- Anyone else have a problem with this?
- I always thought it was purely American, ...
- saying that there is no fat in it.
- [/nq] I don't know when the "skim/skimmed" milk variation started, but it's much older than Starbucks: "Anne had to live through more than two weeks, as it happened.
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[nq:1]"Non-fat" milk, ice cream, yogurt etc. Anyone else have a problem with this? I always thought it was purely American, ... saying that there is no fat in it. Non-fatty milk would scan OK, but doesn't really have the same meaning.[/nq]
I don't know when the "skim/skimmed"
milk variation started, but it's much older
than Starbucks:
"Anne had to live through more than two
wee
I don't know when the "skim/skimmed"
milk variation started, but it's much older
than Starbucks:
"Anne had to live through more than two
wee
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[nq:1]"Non-fat" milk, ice cream, yogurt etc. Anyone else have a problem with this? I always thought it was purely American, but it has now invaded England. I blame Starbucks, who already have a lot to answer for, being largely responsible for "skim milk".[/nq]
What does this mean, that Starbucks is responsible for "skim milk"? That term was the standard term for milk from which fat had been re
What does this mean, that Starbucks is responsible for "skim milk"? That term was the standard term for milk from which fat had been re
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[nq:1]What does this mean, that Starbucks is responsible for "skim milk"? That term was the standard term for milk from ... milk labels, by the term "nonfat milk." It will no doubt take a while for before the term disappears altogether.[/nq]
In the UK we usually say "skimmed milk", remembering that 'skim' is a verb and not an adjective.
Alec McKenzie
In the UK we usually say "skimmed milk", remembering that 'skim' is a verb and not an adjective.
Alec McKenzie
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[nq:2]"Non-fat" milk, ice cream, yogurt etc. Anyone else have a ... lot to answer for, being largely responsible for "skim milk".[/nq]
[nq:1]What does this mean, that Starbucks is responsible for "skim milk"? That term was the standard term for milk from which fat had been removed here in the US. Is some other term used in the UK?[/nq]
COD9 has:
skim milk n. (also skimmed milk)
mil
[nq:1]What does this mean, that Starbucks is responsible for "skim milk"? That term was the standard term for milk from which fat had been removed here in the US. Is some other term used in the UK?[/nq]
COD9 has:
skim milk n. (also skimmed milk)
mil
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[nq:2]What does this mean, that Starbucks is responsible for "skim ... the US. Is some other term used in the UK?[/nq]
[nq:1]COD9 has: skim milk n. (also skimmed milk) milk from which the cream has been skimmed.[/nq]
The thing to note there, by the way, is that
it is not the milk that has been skimmed.
Michael West
Melbourne, Australia
[nq:1]COD9 has: skim milk n. (also skimmed milk) milk from which the cream has been skimmed.[/nq]
The thing to note there, by the way, is that
it is not the milk that has been skimmed.
Michael West
Melbourne, Australia
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[nq:2]What does this mean, that Starbucks is responsible for "skim ... doubt take a while for before the term disappears altogether.[/nq]
[nq:1]In the UK we usually say "skimmed milk", remembering that 'skim' is a verb and not an adjective.[/nq]
According to MWCD11, "skim" has been an adjective since 1794.
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo
[nq:1]In the UK we usually say "skimmed milk", remembering that 'skim' is a verb and not an adjective.[/nq]
According to MWCD11, "skim" has been an adjective since 1794.
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo
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[nq:2]blame Starbucks, who already have a lot to answer for, being largely responsible for "skim milk".[/nq]
[nq:1]What does this mean, that Starbucks is responsible for "skim milk"? That term was the standard term for milk from ... milk labels, by the term "nonfat milk." It will no doubt take a while for before the term disappears altogether.[/nq]
Then perhaps "skimmed milk" is saved! (At
[nq:1]What does this mean, that Starbucks is responsible for "skim milk"? That term was the standard term for milk from ... milk labels, by the term "nonfat milk." It will no doubt take a while for before the term disappears altogether.[/nq]
Then perhaps "skimmed milk" is saved! (At
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[nq:2]COD9 has: skim milk n. (also skimmed milk) milk from which the cream has been skimmed.[/nq]
[nq:1]The thing to note there, by the way, is that it is not the milk that has been skimmed.[/nq]
If you mean that it's the cream which has been skimmed, I'd disagree with you.
The milk was skimmed, and the cream was skimmed off.
The usual term in the UK is "skimmed milk".
Mat
[nq:1]The thing to note there, by the way, is that it is not the milk that has been skimmed.[/nq]
If you mean that it's the cream which has been skimmed, I'd disagree with you.
The milk was skimmed, and the cream was skimmed off.
The usual term in the UK is "skimmed milk".
Mat
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[nq:1]in recently[/nq]
[nq:2]In the UK we usually say "skimmed milk", remembering that 'skim' is a verb and not an adjective.[/nq]
[nq:1]According to MWCD11, "skim" has been an adjective since 1794.[/nq]
OED1 cites BrEng usages of "skim milk" from the mid 1880s; it also has the 1794 quote for the adjective, but marks it as "rare".
Cheers, Harvey
Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for
[nq:2]In the UK we usually say "skimmed milk", remembering that 'skim' is a verb and not an adjective.[/nq]
[nq:1]According to MWCD11, "skim" has been an adjective since 1794.[/nq]
OED1 cites BrEng usages of "skim milk" from the mid 1880s; it also has the 1794 quote for the adjective, but marks it as "rare".
Cheers, Harvey
Ottawa/Toronto/Edmonton for
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According to COD9 there is a sort of double
transitive sense:
Skim (v)
1 tr.a take scum or cream or a floating layer from the surface of (a liquid). b take (cream etc.) from the surface of a liquid.
So, yes, it would be correct to speak of either
skimming the cream or skimming the milk, according to this.
[nq:1]The usual term in the UK is "skimmed milk".[/nq]
Are y
transitive sense:
Skim (v)
1 tr.a take scum or cream or a floating layer from the surface of (a liquid). b take (cream etc.) from the surface of a liquid.
So, yes, it would be correct to speak of either
skimming the cream or skimming the milk, according to this.
[nq:1]The usual term in the UK is "skimmed milk".[/nq]
Are y
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