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Mere motion
At the ceremony transforming Mr Neil Kinnock, a well-known unelected Brussels busybody, into Baron Kinnock of Bedwellty, unelected Westminster busybody*, the Garter bowed to the Cloth of Estate and entered the House on the Temporal side, then handed the Kinnock of Bedwellty's letters patent to the Reading Clerk and moved to the Spiritual side to stand next to Black Rod. The Reading Clerk then proceeded to the Floor dividing the Temporal from the Spiritual and proclaimed the following from the Despatch Box:
Elizabeth the Second by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our right trusty and well-beloved Neil Gordon Kinnock to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Kinnock of Bedwellty ...
http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1992/Uksi 19921730 en 2.htm
(Why no punctuation?)
As I understand it, 'mere motion' is an English version of 'ex mero muto', a legal phrase meaning that something is the 'free and voluntary act of a party himself, done without the suggestion or influence of another person' (Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.).
This means that the Kinnock of Bedwellty's letters patent include a patent untruth (as do those of many other members of the peerage, most likely). The Queen is too well-mannered to have ennobled such a vocal opponent of unelected privilege without 'the suggestion or influence of another person' - of Mr Blair, perhaps, or Glynis, or maybe even the Kinnock himself.
Does this mean that the letters patent are invalid, that the Kinnock of Bedwellty is, in fact, still plain Mr Kinnock?
*In 1977, the Welsh Windbag denounced the House of Lords as 'a bunch of unelected busybodies'.
Mickwick
Smiert Spam
Elizabeth the Second by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms and Territories Queen Head of the Commonwealth Defender of the Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting Know Ye that We of Our especial grace certain knowledge and mere motion do by these Presents advance create and prefer Our right trusty and well-beloved Neil Gordon Kinnock to the state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Kinnock of Bedwellty ...
http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1992/Uksi 19921730 en 2.htm
(Why no punctuation?)
As I understand it, 'mere motion' is an English version of 'ex mero muto', a legal phrase meaning that something is the 'free and voluntary act of a party himself, done without the suggestion or influence of another person' (Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.).
This means that the Kinnock of Bedwellty's letters patent include a patent untruth (as do those of many other members of the peerage, most likely). The Queen is too well-mannered to have ennobled such a vocal opponent of unelected privilege without 'the suggestion or influence of another person' - of Mr Blair, perhaps, or Glynis, or maybe even the Kinnock himself.
Does this mean that the letters patent are invalid, that the Kinnock of Bedwellty is, in fact, still plain Mr Kinnock?
*In 1977, the Welsh Windbag denounced the House of Lords as 'a bunch of unelected busybodies'.
Mickwick
Smiert Spam
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[nq:1]Elizabeth the Second by the Grace of *** of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms[/nq] The UK has its own ***? Tony Cooper Orlando FL
- [nq:1]Elizabeth the Second by the Grace of *** of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms[/nq] The UK has its own ***?
- Tony Cooper Orlando FL
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[nq:1]Elizabeth the Second by the Grace of *** of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our other Realms[/nq]
The UK has its own ***?
Tony Cooper
Orlando FL
The UK has its own ***?
Tony Cooper
Orlando FL
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[nq:2]Elizabeth the Second by the Grace of *** of the UnitedKingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of Our otherRealms[/nq]
[nq:1]The UK has its own ***?[/nq]
You didn't know? How else could you explain the Established Church?
Mike.
[nq:1]The UK has its own ***?[/nq]
You didn't know? How else could you explain the Established Church?
Mike.
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[nq:1]At the ceremony transforming Mr Neil Kinnock, a well-knownunelected Brussels busybody, into Baron Kinnock of Bedwellty, unelected Westminster busybody*, the ... fact, still plain Mr Kinnock? *In 1977, the Welsh Windbag denounced the House of Lords as 'abunch of unelected busybodies'.[/nq]
Nice solo, but the "mere motion" surely just represents a marker for the Sovereign's not having to h
Nice solo, but the "mere motion" surely just represents a marker for the Sovereign's not having to h
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[nq:2]As I understand it, 'mere motion' is an English version ... or influence of another person' (Black's Law Dictionary, 5th ed.).[/nq]
[nq:1]Nice solo,[/nq]
Thanks, but what about that Princess Anne and her sousaphone?
[nq:1]but the "mere motion" surely just represents a marker for the Sovereign's not having to have a reason, not that she mustn't be influenced by anybody else.[/nq]
[nq:1]Nice solo,[/nq]
Thanks, but what about that Princess Anne and her sousaphone?
[nq:1]but the "mere motion" surely just represents a marker for the Sovereign's not having to have a reason, not that she mustn't be influenced by anybody else.[/nq]
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[nq:1]According to the Web, 'by mere motion' and 'ex mero motu' appear to[/nq]^ both (i.e. they mean the same thing but there
isn't a same thing, if you see what I mean)
[nq:1]have been used to mean several slightly different things:[/nq]
Mickwick
Smiert Spam
isn't a same thing, if you see what I mean)
[nq:1]have been used to mean several slightly different things:[/nq]
Mickwick
Smiert Spam
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[nq:1]Kingdom Realms[/nq]
[nq:2]The UK has its own ***?[/nq]
[nq:1]You didn't know? How else could you explain the Established Church?[/nq]
Mind you, it's only established in England. Bzzzt, does not compute!
Andrew Gwilliam
To email me, replace "bottomless pit" with "silverhelm"
[nq:2]The UK has its own ***?[/nq]
[nq:1]You didn't know? How else could you explain the Established Church?[/nq]
Mind you, it's only established in England. Bzzzt, does not compute!
Andrew Gwilliam
To email me, replace "bottomless pit" with "silverhelm"
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[nq:1]At the ceremony transforming Mr Neil Kinnock, a well-known unelected Brussels busybody, into Baron Kinnock of Bedwellty, unelected Westminster busybody*, ... state degree style dignity title and honour of Baron Kinnock of Bedwellty ... http://www.legislation.hmso.gov.uk/si/si1992/Uksi
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[nq:1] [/nq]
[nq:2]Nice solo,[/nq]
[nq:1]Thanks, but what about that Princess Anne and her sousaphone?[/nq]
Ah, and who can forget General de Gaulle on accordeon ("It's a great honour, Sir") and the memorable Adolf hitler on vibes?
But, ****, everything about the constitutional monarchy is a legal fiction. Ask that one-man Hotbed of Sedition, John Dean, even if he is wearing h
[nq:2]Nice solo,[/nq]
[nq:1]Thanks, but what about that Princess Anne and her sousaphone?[/nq]
Ah, and who can forget General de Gaulle on accordeon ("It's a great honour, Sir") and the memorable Adolf hitler on vibes?
But, ****, everything about the constitutional monarchy is a legal fiction. Ask that one-man Hotbed of Sedition, John Dean, even if he is wearing h
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[nq:1]Elizabeth the Second by the Grace of *** of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and of ... Faith To all Lords Spiritual and Temporal and all other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom these Presents shall come Greeting[/nq]
Random question: is the 'e' in "presents", with this sense, pronounced as /i/ or /e/ (i.e., as the 'e' in the noun "present" or as the one in the verb
Random question: is the 'e' in "presents", with this sense, pronounced as /i/ or /e/ (i.e., as the 'e' in the noun "present" or as the one in the verb
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[nq:2]Elizabeth the Second by the Grace of *** of the ... other Our Subjects whatsoever to whom thesePresents shall come Greeting[/nq]
[nq:1]Random question: is the 'e' in "presents", with this sense,pronounced as /i/ or /e/ (i.e., as the 'e' in the ... the first syllable, almost like "presence" with an /i/, but I don't think I've ever heard the word spoken aloud.[/nq]
It's the noun, and p
[nq:1]Random question: is the 'e' in "presents", with this sense,pronounced as /i/ or /e/ (i.e., as the 'e' in the ... the first syllable, almost like "presence" with an /i/, but I don't think I've ever heard the word spoken aloud.[/nq]
It's the noun, and p
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