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Klavier Posted 22 years ago
Grammar

Meanings of such

Hello. I'd like to know how to distinguish between these two meanings of such. How do I know which sentence below to which meaning? Sometimes I feel that it's not simple because I think that both meanings can be embedded in the sentence.

Meaning 1) Of the same kind.
Meaning 2) Of so extreme a degree or quality.

He had never seen such high mountains. -> could it be: so high mountains or/and the same mountains that I saw one day.
He has never made such mistakes before. -> could it be: so big mistakes or/and the same mistakes that I made one day.
I've never seen such a funny thing. -> could it be: a thing so funny or/and the same funny thing that I saw one day.
He had no strength so bear such grief. -> could it be: a grief so extreme or/and a grief that I felt before.
  

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(1) would modify a noun and (2) would modify an adjective or adverb. In your first 3 examples, it could only be the first answer, since the sentence itself states that the speaker 'had never seen/made' before; similarly with the 4th-- the speaker, if he had experiences so extreme a grief earlier, had indeed borne it.

  • (1) would modify a noun and (2) would modify an adjective or adverb.
  • In your first 3 examples, it could only be the first answer, since the sentence itself states that the speaker 'had never seen/made' before; similarly with the 4th-- the speaker, if he had experiences so extreme a grief earlier, had indeed borne it.
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(1) would modify a noun and (2) would modify an adjective or adverb.

In your first 3 examples, it could only be the first answer, since the sentence itself states that the speaker 'had never seen/made' before; similarly with the 4th-- the speaker, if he had experiences so extreme a grief earlier, had indeed borne it.
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MrM, I'm sorry but I'm still confused when such modifies a noun, cause I've checked several dictionaries on the net and all have little differences that bother me. So I'll try to make a simple summary of this.

* You put an A before a singular noun, and you don't put an A before an uncountable noun to refer to "the same kind or type" or "to add emphasis". So we have:

There is
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'A/an' before countable nouns, with or without another adjective.
No article before uncountable or plural nouns, woith or without another adjective.

Such a friend
Such an old friend
Such water
Such good water
Such friends
Such old friends

Nothing unusual there, Latin-- just like normal article usage.

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