"Maths is ..." or "Maths are ..."

[nq:1]Being a Leftpondian, I use the colloquial abbreviation "math", which is singular. Do those who say "maths" say "Maths is ..." or "Maths are ..."? Mike Hardy[/nq]
"Maths is ..."
We think of it as a singular subject, like "Economics" (US = "Economic").
Matti

[nq:2]Being a Leftpondian, I use the colloquial abbreviation "math", which ... "Maths is ..." or "Maths are ..."? Mike Hardy[/nq]
[nq:1]"Maths is ..." We think of it as a singular subject, like "Economics" (US = "Economic").[/nq]
According to Fowler (MEU, s.v. -ics 2), the number of -ics words is a subtle matter. He, at least, would say "Mathematics is hard for me" but "His mathematics are

[nq:2]"Maths is ..." We think of it as a singular subject, like "Economics" (US = "Economic").[/nq]
[nq:1]According to Fowler (MEU, s.v. -ics 2), the number of -ics words isa subtle matter. He, at least, would say "Mathematics is hard forme" but "His mathematics are weak", and I am inclined to agree withhim.[/nq]
Burchfield's update let's be honest and say "rewrite" has "...But when used t

[nq:2]Being a Leftpondian, I use the colloquial abbreviation "math", which ... "Maths is ..." or "Maths are ..."? Mike Hardy[/nq]
[nq:1]"Maths is ..." We think of it as a singular subject, like "Economics" (US = "Economic").[/nq]
We use Economics for the noun, just like you do. But you were just teasing, right?

Joe Fineman:
[nq:2]According to Fowler (MEU, s.v. -ics 2), the number of ... are weak", and I am inclined to agree with him.[/nq]
Mike Lyle:
[nq:1]Burchfield's update let's be honest and say "rewrite" has "...But when used to mean 'the use of mathematics in calculations, etc.', a plural verb is often used ( The mathematics of the launching of the spacecraft are extremely complicated ).

[nq:1]Joe Fineman: Mike Lyle:[/nq]
[nq:2]Burchfield's update let's be honest and say "rewrite" ... mathematics of thelaunching of the spacecraft are extremely complicated )."[/nq]
[nq:1]Fascinating. For me math is singular no matter which letters you include or omit; that example just looks wrong to me. However,google counts for various sentences with the long form show usage almost equall

[nq:2]"Maths is ..." We think of it as a singular subject, like "Economics" (US = "Economic").[/nq]
[nq:1]We use Economics for the noun, just like you do. But you were just teasing, right?[/nq]
I realized later that it was an imperfect example. Let's think of one that fits the Math(s) pattern...
Statistics, of course. We do stats, and you do stat right?

Matti

[nq:1]I realized later that it was an imperfect example. Let's think of one that fits the Math(s) pattern... Statistics, of course. We do stats, and you do stat right?[/nq]
Sure, and we do physics and you do 'fisick', yes?

[nq:1]Being a Leftpondian, I use the colloquial abbreviation "math", which is singular. Do those who say "maths" say "Maths is ..." or "Maths are ..."? Mike Hardy[/nq]
Math is your abbreviation for Mathematics, yes?
Maths is our abbreviation for Mathematics.
So whatever construction you would expect to see with 'Mathematics' you should expect to see the same with 'Math' there and 'Math

What about "logics"?