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Long A or Short A Vowel Sound?
My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement over the vowel sound that occurs in words such as the following: bank, blanket, bang, tank, tango, rank, blank, thanks, etc. One group adamantly believes this to be similar to a LONG A sound, while the other group thinks it's the SHORT A sound. We have found conflicting information on this topic when consulting various dicationaries and pronunciation guides.
Is it possible that the sound is neither the short or long A and might have a phonetic sound/category of its own? Personally, I feel it is much closer to a long A than short A, but it seems to be kind of an individual thing (you hear it the way you hear it, regardless of what others say or what the dicationary says...) Any insightful comments on this would be most appreciated. Thank you.
Is it possible that the sound is neither the short or long A and might have a phonetic sound/category of its own? Personally, I feel it is much closer to a long A than short A, but it seems to be kind of an individual thing (you hear it the way you hear it, regardless of what others say or what the dicationary says...) Any insightful comments on this would be most appreciated. Thank you.
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Meg Anne filted: [nq:1]My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement over the vowel sound that occurs in words such as ... some use them to distinguish between the pre- and post-vowel-shift pronunciations, so that a long I is what they hear in "machine".. thus, "short a" was the vowel heard in "fat" and "long a" the sound in "fate"..
- Meg Anne filted: [nq:1]My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement over the vowel sound that occurs in words such as ...
- some use them to distinguish between the pre- and post-vowel-shift pronunciations, so that a long I is what they hear in "machine"..
- thus, "short a" was the vowel heard in "fat" and "long a" the sound in "fate"..
- more like "lob" or "lobe"?...
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Meg Anne filted:
[nq:1]My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement over the vowel sound that occurs in words such as ... individual thing (you hear it the way you hear it, regardless of what others say or what the dicationary says...)[/nq]
The words "long" and "short" in connection with English vowels are fraught with peril anyway...some use them to distinguish between the
[nq:1]My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement over the vowel sound that occurs in words such as ... individual thing (you hear it the way you hear it, regardless of what others say or what the dicationary says...)[/nq]
The words "long" and "short" in connection with English vowels are fraught with peril anyway...some use them to distinguish between the
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[nq:1]My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement over the vowel sound that occurs in words such as ... of what others say or what the dicationary says...) Any insightful comments on this would be most appreciated. Thank you.[/nq]
I disagree. To me, "bank" sounds much more like "bat" than "bait". It's a short 'a' with an ng sound drawing it out a bit.
Brian Rodenborn
I disagree. To me, "bank" sounds much more like "bat" than "bait". It's a short 'a' with an ng sound drawing it out a bit.
Brian Rodenborn
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Meg Anne expostulated:
[nq:1]My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement over the vowel sound that occurs in words such as ... of what others say or what the dicationary says...) Any insightful comments on this would be most appreciated. Thank you.[/nq]
We have a tame court transcriber who will no doubt be along in a minute, but I have to ask you what variety of English yo
[nq:1]My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement over the vowel sound that occurs in words such as ... of what others say or what the dicationary says...) Any insightful comments on this would be most appreciated. Thank you.[/nq]
We have a tame court transcriber who will no doubt be along in a minute, but I have to ask you what variety of English yo
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[nq:1]My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement over the vowel sound that occurs in words such as ... believes this to be similar to a LONG A sound, while the other group thinks it's the SHORT A sound.[/nq]
To me, those are all examples of the short A.
Mark Brader, Toronto "A secret proclamation? How unusual!" (Email Removed) Arsenic and Old Lace
To me, those are all examples of the short A.
Mark Brader, Toronto "A secret proclamation? How unusual!" (Email Removed) Arsenic and Old Lace
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[nq:1]My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement over the vowel sound that occurs in words such as ... of what others say or what the dicationary says...) Any insightful comments on this would be most appreciated. Thank you.[/nq]
The simple answer is that for most English-speakers it is the short A. Your accent might be different, though.
Regards
John
The simple answer is that for most English-speakers it is the short A. Your accent might be different, though.
Regards
John
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[nq:2]My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement ... insightful comments on this would be most appreciated. Thank you.[/nq]
[nq:1]The simple answer is that for most English-speakers it is the short A. Your accent might be different, though.[/nq]
I have found that having a different native language makes it difficult to understand the "long vowel vs. short vowel" distincti
[nq:1]The simple answer is that for most English-speakers it is the short A. Your accent might be different, though.[/nq]
I have found that having a different native language makes it difficult to understand the "long vowel vs. short vowel" distincti
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[nq:2]My fellow court reporting students and I are in disagreement ... while the other group thinks it's the SHORT A sound.[/nq]
[nq:1]To me, those are all examples of the short A.[/nq]
To me also, in northern England. As far as I know they are always short in southern England too. I have never heard any Brit pronounce any of them with a long a.
Paul
My Lake District walking s
[nq:1]To me, those are all examples of the short A.[/nq]
To me also, in northern England. As far as I know they are always short in southern England too. I have never heard any Brit pronounce any of them with a long a.
Paul
My Lake District walking s
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[nq:1]We have a tame court transcriber[/nq]
Who are you calling tame?
[nq:1]who will no doubt be along in a minute[/nq]
Well, a day, anyway.
It's much, much closer to a short A sound than a long A sound. But the real question is, why would you even consider writing it with a long A sound? Imagine seeing PWAEUPBG in your notes instead of PWAPBG.
TKAOEPB/A SKWROE RBGS SKOEP/
Who are you calling tame?
[nq:1]who will no doubt be along in a minute[/nq]
Well, a day, anyway.
It's much, much closer to a short A sound than a long A sound. But the real question is, why would you even consider writing it with a long A sound? Imagine seeing PWAEUPBG in your notes instead of PWAPBG.
TKAOEPB/A SKWROE RBGS SKOEP/
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Wow. I'm pleased to have received so much follow-up on this topic from people all over. I appreciate everyone's thoughts on this. As a new court reporting student (only half way through theory), I find myself overanalyzing things sometimes. I realize this won't happen when I'm in speed classes, as I won't have time to think about things, I'll just write them.
I definitely agree that writing it
I definitely agree that writing it
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Dena Jo expostulated:
[nq:2]We have a tame court transcriber[/nq]
[nq:1]Who are you calling tame?[/nq]
I don't recall being bitten by you.
David
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[nq:2]We have a tame court transcriber[/nq]
[nq:1]Who are you calling tame?[/nq]
I don't recall being bitten by you.
David
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