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Hoa Thai Posted 19 years ago
Linguistics Studies
learning grammar - When, Why, etc...
To the native English speakers and educators,
Please share with me your experience:
1. When (at what grade) do children in your country institutionally start learning grammar?
2. Do they concentrate on learning grammar for one year, or does the subject spread out over many years?
3. How many sessions and how many hours per session are considered adequate to form a good foundation?
4. How important is learning grammar compared to other skills in an English grammar curriculum?
The reasons for my asking are:
1. Countless ESL students in my country focus too much on grammar and they often do well in English grammar tests, particularly multiple-choices. However, rarely, I can find a student, who can write a good essay or speak well (at least make himself / herself understandable while worrying too much of making grammatical errors for concerning of sounding stupid).
2. I have seen many blogs on Internet do often contain fundamental English errors (from the grammar references that I have). Do you think those errors are there because specific groups of bloggers have their own acceptable ways to express themselves? If these bloggers consider speaking their way is cool, should I keep trying to correct my nephews and nieces, who love anything America (using my limited knowledge and experience) and take away their desire and fun of feeling belonging?
Thanks and Best Regards,
Hoa Thai
P.S. Cool Breeze advised me to start a new thread for each subject to help focus our discussion. However, I hope you don't mind of the many questions I've just asked since I feel they are importantly related for me to form a good picture before sending my two-cent worth to the Ministry of Education and Training.
Please share with me your experience:
1. When (at what grade) do children in your country institutionally start learning grammar?
2. Do they concentrate on learning grammar for one year, or does the subject spread out over many years?
3. How many sessions and how many hours per session are considered adequate to form a good foundation?
4. How important is learning grammar compared to other skills in an English grammar curriculum?
The reasons for my asking are:
1. Countless ESL students in my country focus too much on grammar and they often do well in English grammar tests, particularly multiple-choices. However, rarely, I can find a student, who can write a good essay or speak well (at least make himself / herself understandable while worrying too much of making grammatical errors for concerning of sounding stupid).
2. I have seen many blogs on Internet do often contain fundamental English errors (from the grammar references that I have). Do you think those errors are there because specific groups of bloggers have their own acceptable ways to express themselves? If these bloggers consider speaking their way is cool, should I keep trying to correct my nephews and nieces, who love anything America (using my limited knowledge and experience) and take away their desire and fun of feeling belonging?
Thanks and Best Regards,
Hoa Thai
P.S. Cool Breeze advised me to start a new thread for each subject to help focus our discussion. However, I hope you don't mind of the many questions I've just asked since I feel they are importantly related for me to form a good picture before sending my two-cent worth to the Ministry of Education and Training.
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Briefly: American schoolchildren do not study grammar per se. Grammar mistakes in the written language are pointed out when they began writing essays. This can continue up into university level.
- Briefly: American schoolchildren do not study grammar per se.
- Grammar mistakes in the written language are pointed out when they began writing essays.
- This can continue up into university level.
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Briefly: American schoolchildren do not study grammar per se. Grammar mistakes in the written language are pointed out when they began writing essays. This can continue up into university level.
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Mister MicawberBriefly: American schoolchildren do not study grammar per se. Grammar mistakes in the written language are pointed out when they began writing essays. This can continue up into university level.That's interesting!
I have been under an impression that sometime before going to college, an American pupil must has been expose
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I can only tell you my experiences as a parent.
My older daugher is 10. This year, she brought home papers in which she had to identify things like the simple subject, the complete subject, the simple predicate, the complete predicate, etc. She also had exercises last year on whether something was a predicate nominiative or predicate adjective. (Personally, I find these rather pointless.)
My older daugher is 10. This year, she brought home papers in which she had to identify things like the simple subject, the complete subject, the simple predicate, the complete predicate, etc. She also had exercises last year on whether something was a predicate nominiative or predicate adjective. (Personally, I find these rather pointless.)
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Your replies gave me a sense that grammar is still important in American schools; however, it is not formally scheduled as a separated course, but as a corrective task to help students refine their English skills. That is how our language, Vietnamese, has been taught for hundreds of years. Nonetheless, when we must soon learn foreign languages, grammar is taught similarly to math - with rules
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