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Screenwriting
Jesus is Magic
Just got back from the Woodstock Film Festival story development panel, and a screening of Sarah Silverman's "Jesus is Magic".
Sarah Silverman is a complete scream, but the film sucked. They should have just shot Sarah doing a night of stand-up, and left off all the off-stage stuff. I still recommend seeing it, because Sarah's hot.
The story development panel was interesting. I think most of the audience was expecting something about screenwriting, but only one of the people on the panel was a proper screenwriter (L.M. Kit Carson). All the rest of the panelists were Indie film makers whose idea of story development was to pull together a sort of 25 page script/treatment/outline, find someone to give them money, start shooting and "find the drama in the editing process".
Wild. One of the guys had the grace to say that he'd love to work from a screenplay next time, as it would make things a lot easier, but he had no idea how to pull one together.
The panelists were actually a bright, dedicated bunch, with a lot of interesting stories to tell to people who want to shoot from the hip. I wonder if this is the real world of indie film making; guys with cameras and half a story, and the funding to get them enough footage to go on a fishing expedition for a dramatic line somewhere in all that material.
One woman who clearly didn't get the fact that these weren't Dreamworks people, asked something about honing her "high concept" (used as a noun) for Hollywood, and drew blank stares from the panel before one guy finally said, "That's a whole different world, I don't think any of us know much about that..."
The funny thing is, the panel was chaired by Annie Nocenti, former editor of "Scenario Magazine". I wonder if she listened to all this thinking, "So that's why we went out of business... Nobody uses screenplays anymore."
Alan Brooks
A with an Underwood
Somebody Spoke That.
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Sarah Silverman is a complete scream, but the film sucked. They should have just shot Sarah doing a night of stand-up, and left off all the off-stage stuff. I still recommend seeing it, because Sarah's hot.
The story development panel was interesting. I think most of the audience was expecting something about screenwriting, but only one of the people on the panel was a proper screenwriter (L.M. Kit Carson). All the rest of the panelists were Indie film makers whose idea of story development was to pull together a sort of 25 page script/treatment/outline, find someone to give them money, start shooting and "find the drama in the editing process".
Wild. One of the guys had the grace to say that he'd love to work from a screenplay next time, as it would make things a lot easier, but he had no idea how to pull one together.
The panelists were actually a bright, dedicated bunch, with a lot of interesting stories to tell to people who want to shoot from the hip. I wonder if this is the real world of indie film making; guys with cameras and half a story, and the funding to get them enough footage to go on a fishing expedition for a dramatic line somewhere in all that material.
One woman who clearly didn't get the fact that these weren't Dreamworks people, asked something about honing her "high concept" (used as a noun) for Hollywood, and drew blank stares from the panel before one guy finally said, "That's a whole different world, I don't think any of us know much about that..."
The funny thing is, the panel was chaired by Annie Nocenti, former editor of "Scenario Magazine". I wonder if she listened to all this thinking, "So that's why we went out of business... Nobody uses screenplays anymore."
Alan Brooks
A with an Underwood
Somebody Spoke That.
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(snips) [nq:1]Wild. [/nq] Movies based on video games, movies based on amusement park rides, movies based on 60s sit-com premises, movies based on comic strips, movies based on other movies.. and the Indie filmmakers can't relate because there isn't a script?
- (snips) [nq:1]Wild.
- [/nq] Movies based on video games, movies based on amusement park rides, movies based on 60s sit-com premises, movies based on comic strips, movies based on other movies..
- and the Indie filmmakers can't relate because there isn't a script?
- My bet is one of the guys on the panel will be directing "My Mother, the Car The Movie" in a couple of years.
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(snips)
[nq:1]Wild. One of the guys had the grace to say that he'd love to work from a screenplay next time, as it would make things a lot easier, but he had no idea how to pull one together.[/nq]
Movies based on video games, movies based on amusement park rides, movies based on 60s sit-com premises, movies based on comic strips, movies based on other movies.. and the Indie filmmake
[nq:1]Wild. One of the guys had the grace to say that he'd love to work from a screenplay next time, as it would make things a lot easier, but he had no idea how to pull one together.[/nq]
Movies based on video games, movies based on amusement park rides, movies based on 60s sit-com premises, movies based on comic strips, movies based on other movies.. and the Indie filmmake
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[nq:2]Wild. One of the guys had the grace to say ... but he had no idea how to pull one together.[/nq]
[nq:1]Movies based on video games, movies based on amusement park rides, movies based on 60s sit-com premises, movies based on comic strips, movies based on other movies.. and the Indie filmmakers can't relate because there isn't a script?[/nq]
One of the reasons it's hard for writers
[nq:1]Movies based on video games, movies based on amusement park rides, movies based on 60s sit-com premises, movies based on comic strips, movies based on other movies.. and the Indie filmmakers can't relate because there isn't a script?[/nq]
One of the reasons it's hard for writers
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[nq:1]The panelists were actually a bright, dedicated bunch, with a lot of interesting stories to tell to people who want ... to get them enough footage to go on a fishing expedition for a dramatic line somewhere in all that material.[/nq]
Sound pretty much like the British film "industry" to me.
Sound pretty much like the British film "industry" to me.
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[nq:2]The panelists were actually a bright, dedicated bunch, with a ... expedition for a dramatic line somewhere in all that material.[/nq]
[nq:1]Sound pretty much like the British film "industry" to me.[/nq]
Really? I figured most countries with nationalized arts support would have a much stronger vetting process and, therefore, a requirement to lay out a plan for your movie more clearly
[nq:1]Sound pretty much like the British film "industry" to me.[/nq]
Really? I figured most countries with nationalized arts support would have a much stronger vetting process and, therefore, a requirement to lay out a plan for your movie more clearly
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[nq:1]One of the people on this panel talked about how the ******* Film Board (or whoever they are) now assigns ... which everyone on the panel agreed was the worst aspect of all their peers' (and, some admitted, their own) work.[/nq]
Telefilm Canada. I can't speak for all levels of their financing, but if you want to receive funding to write a screenplay you need to have produced credentials,
Telefilm Canada. I can't speak for all levels of their financing, but if you want to receive funding to write a screenplay you need to have produced credentials,
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[nq:2]Sound pretty much like the British film "industry" to me.[/nq]
[nq:1]Really? I figured most countries with nationalized arts support would have a much stronger vetting process and, therefore, a requirement to lay out a plan for your movie more clearly in the form of a script.[/nq]
Sorry, I didn't snip the original post enough. I should've cut it down to:
And the UK doesn't really
[nq:1]Really? I figured most countries with nationalized arts support would have a much stronger vetting process and, therefore, a requirement to lay out a plan for your movie more clearly in the form of a script.[/nq]
Sorry, I didn't snip the original post enough. I should've cut it down to:
And the UK doesn't really
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[nq:1]Sorry, I didn't snip the original post enough. I should've cut it down to: although half a story could be ... to remake Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels. (And, worse, they're now stealing the film titles from old Beatleas albums.)[/nq]
Personally, I wouldn't mind another "******" or "Lock, Stock...". Guy Ritchie can just keep making films with Bullet Tooth Tony as long as he likes.
Personally, I wouldn't mind another "******" or "Lock, Stock...". Guy Ritchie can just keep making films with Bullet Tooth Tony as long as he likes.
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