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Jaser vs jazz:which came first?
The French verb "jaser" means "to gossip back and forth." Is it possible that the word "jazz" came from the French "jaser" as French was spoken in New Orleans in Creole or the Acadian (Cajun) of the early settlers.Also in New Orleans jazz there is a sort of conversation between the instruments when a phrase from one player is repeated and elaborated on by another player in a sort of ""gossiping back and forth" routine. This being said, I still suspect that the term "jazz"( or alternate spellings) was used in English before the French term "jaser" but can anybody verify this?
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[/nq] It's often cited as a possible source of the word jazz. [nq:1]Also in New Orleans jazz there is a sort of conversation between the instruments when a phrase from one player ... [/nq] Hmmm....
- [/nq] It's often cited as a possible source of the word jazz.
- [nq:1]Also in New Orleans jazz there is a sort of conversation between the instruments when a phrase from one player ...
- [/nq] Hmmm....
- ), Language usage and description, Editions Rodopi, Amsterdam - Atlanta.
- ISBN 90-5183-312-1) This article discusses the entries for the word JAZZ in the 1933 and 1976 supplements to the first edition of the Oxford English Dictionary(OED), and in the body of the text of the second, 1989, edition.
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[nq:1]The French verb "jaser" means "to gossip back and forth." Is it possible that the word "jazz" came from the French "jaser" as French was spoken in New Orleans in Creole or the Acadian (Cajun) of the early settlers.[/nq]
It's often cited as a possible source of the word jazz.
[nq:1]Also in New Orleans jazz there is a sort of conversation between the instruments when a phrase from one
It's often cited as a possible source of the word jazz.
[nq:1]Also in New Orleans jazz there is a sort of conversation between the instruments when a phrase from one
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[nq:1]The French verb "jaser" means "to gossip back and forth." Is it possible that the word "jazz" came from the ... the term "jazz"( or alternate spellings) was used in English before the French term "jaser" but can anybody verify this?[/nq]
I copied out the Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang citation from 1896 for "jaser" in this post:
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They don't
I copied out the Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang citation from 1896 for "jaser" in this post:
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[nq:1]The French verb "jaser" means "to gossip back and forth." Is it possible that the word "jazz" came from the ... the term "jazz"( or alternate spellings) was used in English before the French term "jaser" but can anybody verify this?[/nq]
It's very possible indeed, and as one who has read widely on jazz history, I think it is the most convincing of all the suggested derivations. It is not
It's very possible indeed, and as one who has read widely on jazz history, I think it is the most convincing of all the suggested derivations. It is not
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[nq:1]The French verb "jaser" means "to gossip back and forth." Is it possible that the word "jazz" came from the French "jaser" as French was spoken in New Orleans in Creole or the Acadian (Cajun) of the early settlers.[/nq]
A number of speculations have been made as to the origins of the word "jazz". This one, quoted in the OED:
"The word ?Jass? was a verb of the negro patois meaning ?to
A number of speculations have been made as to the origins of the word "jazz". This one, quoted in the OED:
"The word ?Jass? was a verb of the negro patois meaning ?to
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[nq:2]The French verb "jaser" means "to gossip back and forth." ... in Creole or the Acadian (Cajun) of the early settlers.[/nq]
[nq:1]A number of speculations have been made as to the origins of the word "jazz". This one, quoted in the ... common on the Gold Coast of Africa and in the hinterland of Cape Coast Castle." makes best sense, to me.[/nq]
Perhaps, but one would like to see the "n
[nq:1]A number of speculations have been made as to the origins of the word "jazz". This one, quoted in the ... common on the Gold Coast of Africa and in the hinterland of Cape Coast Castle." makes best sense, to me.[/nq]
Perhaps, but one would like to see the "n
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[nq:2]The French verb "jaser" means "to gossip back and forth." ... before the French term "jaser" but can anybody verify this?[/nq]
[nq:1]It's very possible indeed, and as one who has read widely on jazz history, I think it is the most ... to words like jasm, ****, spasm, and so forth on the basis of the music's association with New Orleans brothels.[/nq]
That is baloney, and I disagree i
[nq:1]It's very possible indeed, and as one who has read widely on jazz history, I think it is the most ... to words like jasm, ****, spasm, and so forth on the basis of the music's association with New Orleans brothels.[/nq]
That is baloney, and I disagree i
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"Charles Riggs" (Email Removed) wrote in message > >It's very possible indeed, and as one who has read
[nq:2]widely on jazz history, I think it is the most ... the basis of the music's association with New Orleans brothels.[/nq]
[nq:1]That is baloney, and I disagree it is the one most often offered. I assume you're just trying to stir up trouble, for I don't believe you are this igno
[nq:2]widely on jazz history, I think it is the most ... the basis of the music's association with New Orleans brothels.[/nq]
[nq:1]That is baloney, and I disagree it is the one most often offered. I assume you're just trying to stir up trouble, for I don't believe you are this igno
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[nq:2]A number of speculations have been made as to the ... hinterland of Cape Coast Castle." makes best sense, to me.[/nq]
[nq:1]Perhaps, but one would like to see the "negro patois" more precisely defined in time and space, not to mention something more solid about which language of the "Gold Coast" is supposed to have such a word.[/nq]
And the New York Sun wasn't exactly a highbrow jour
[nq:1]Perhaps, but one would like to see the "negro patois" more precisely defined in time and space, not to mention something more solid about which language of the "Gold Coast" is supposed to have such a word.[/nq]
And the New York Sun wasn't exactly a highbrow jour
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[nq:2]That is baloney, and I disagree it is the one ... up trouble, for I don't believe you are this ignorant.[/nq]
[nq:1]Is this an argument? I'm afraid you'll have to tell me what it's about, Charles. What is baloney, exactly? Michael West Melbourne, Australia[/nq]
From *Merriam-Webster's Collegiate* at
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Main Entry: 2baloney
Function: noun
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[nq:1]Is this an argument? I'm afraid you'll have to tell me what it's about, Charles. What is baloney, exactly? Michael West Melbourne, Australia[/nq]
From *Merriam-Webster's Collegiate* at
www.m-w.com
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Main Entry: 2baloney
Function: noun
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[nq:1]The Collegiate gives the etymology of "jazz" as "origin unknown," as does the AHD4.[/nq]
We know that the etymology is unknown, but there are several credible theories, and some are more credible than others. This doesn't mean they're all bunkum it just means scholars haven't yet agreed on which one isn't.
Michael West
Melbourne, Australia
We know that the etymology is unknown, but there are several credible theories, and some are more credible than others. This doesn't mean they're all bunkum it just means scholars haven't yet agreed on which one isn't.
Michael West
Melbourne, Australia
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