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Usenet Posted 21 years ago
English in UK
Is 'one' always necessary
Hello
I'm really happy there is this kind of newsgroup. That's what I was looking for. A place where natives can give some advice on a language. In this case English.
The question is whether one should always say 'one' in this situation or not.
The black house is larger than the red one.
Not exactly this example but the case of avoiding noun repetion in general.
So, can it at least in some cases be ok to say just the red without one. Or it will always be considered strange/wrong?
My native language is Russian, which perfectly allows it. So there is sometimes temptation to avoid one as well as the noun
Thank you very much in advance.
I'm really happy there is this kind of newsgroup. That's what I was looking for. A place where natives can give some advice on a language. In this case English.
The question is whether one should always say 'one' in this situation or not.
The black house is larger than the red one.
Not exactly this example but the case of avoiding noun repetion in general.
So, can it at least in some cases be ok to say just the red without one. Or it will always be considered strange/wrong?
My native language is Russian, which perfectly allows it. So there is sometimes temptation to avoid one as well as the noun
Thank you very much in advance.
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danilla schrieb: [nq:1]Hello I'm really happy there is this kind of newsgroup. That's what I was looking for. A place where natives ...
- danilla schrieb: [nq:1]Hello I'm really happy there is this kind of newsgroup.
- That's what I was looking for.
- A place where natives ...
- whether one should always say 'one' in this situation or not.
- [/nq] It is probably better to use the word one.
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danilla schrieb:
[nq:1]Hello I'm really happy there is this kind of newsgroup. That's what I was looking for. A place where natives ... whether one should always say 'one' in this situation or not. The black house is larger than the red one.[/nq]
It is probably better to use the word one. That way you are more explicit.
For example: The black house is large than the orange.
Or
[nq:1]Hello I'm really happy there is this kind of newsgroup. That's what I was looking for. A place where natives ... whether one should always say 'one' in this situation or not. The black house is larger than the red one.[/nq]
It is probably better to use the word one. That way you are more explicit.
For example: The black house is large than the orange.
Or
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[nq:1]The question is whether one should always say 'one' in this situation or not. The black house is larger than ... least in some cases be ok to say just the red without one. Or it will always be considered strange/wrong?[/nq]
The form without the word "one" is perfectly correct, but less idiomatic, and to some ears may sound a little old-fashioned.
Mike Stevens
narrowboat Feli
The form without the word "one" is perfectly correct, but less idiomatic, and to some ears may sound a little old-fashioned.
Mike Stevens
narrowboat Feli
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[nq:2]The question is whether one should always say 'one' in this situation or not. The black house is larger than the red one.[/nq]
[nq:1]The form without the word "one" is perfectly correct, but less idiomatic, and to some ears may sound a little old-fashioned.[/nq]
Or poetic - an example (of both) is in the ancient ballad 'Tam Lyn':
"First let pass the black horse
Then let
[nq:1]The form without the word "one" is perfectly correct, but less idiomatic, and to some ears may sound a little old-fashioned.[/nq]
Or poetic - an example (of both) is in the ancient ballad 'Tam Lyn':
"First let pass the black horse
Then let
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Thank you everybody. Absolutely clear.
Since people here are so kind to help with that , let me try to recall something else which seemed unclear to me but I hadn't anybody around to ask. Here it is:
whenever we have had any technical or connection problems they have been attended to immediately by their efficient and courteous staff.
What seems a little unusual to me is "whenever
Since people here are so kind to help with that , let me try to recall something else which seemed unclear to me but I hadn't anybody around to ask. Here it is:
whenever we have had any technical or connection problems they have been attended to immediately by their efficient and courteous staff.
What seems a little unusual to me is "whenever
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[nq:1]Thank you everybody. Absolutely clear. Since people here are so kind to help with that , let me try to ... neither of these two means the same as the first phrase. But I'd like to know how natives feel it.[/nq]
Speaking purely from instinct rather than quoting any rules, I think that the sentence as you quote it is fine, but that if you make either of the changes you suggest to the first
Speaking purely from instinct rather than quoting any rules, I think that the sentence as you quote it is fine, but that if you make either of the changes you suggest to the first
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[nq:1]whenever we have had any technical or connection problems they have been attended to immediately[/nq]
"Do TrouserCorp have a good technical support department?" asked Wallace. "Whenever we have had any technical problems they have been attended to immediately", replied Grommit.
To me, this suggests satisfaction with support which has not often been called upon.
"Whenever we have
"Do TrouserCorp have a good technical support department?" asked Wallace. "Whenever we have had any technical problems they have been attended to immediately", replied Grommit.
To me, this suggests satisfaction with support which has not often been called upon.
"Whenever we have
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At 15:22:08 on Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Mike Stevens (Email Removed) wrote in (Email Removed):
[nq:2]Also, it seems to me that the question "When have you (done something)?" is impossible in English, right?[/nq]
[nq:1]I think there are circumstances in which it is possible such as "When have you usually changed the oil in your engine?" "I've done it after about 200 hours' running." Perhaps it does
[nq:2]Also, it seems to me that the question "When have you (done something)?" is impossible in English, right?[/nq]
[nq:1]I think there are circumstances in which it is possible such as "When have you usually changed the oil in your engine?" "I've done it after about 200 hours' running." Perhaps it does
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At 21:55:23 on Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Philip Powell
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[nq:2]That construction can also be used, rather sarcastically, when anticipating ... to tea with the Queen?" (the expected answer is "Never").[/nq]
[nq:1] Shouldn't that have been "When have you been to tea with Me?" [/nq]
sniffs in disdain Queens? Mere trailer trash!
Molly Mockford
They tha
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[nq:2]That construction can also be used, rather sarcastically, when anticipating ... to tea with the Queen?" (the expected answer is "Never").[/nq]
[nq:1] Shouldn't that have been "When have you been to tea with Me?" [/nq]
sniffs in disdain Queens? Mere trailer trash!
Molly Mockford
They tha
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[nq:1]Thank you everybody. Absolutely clear. Since people here are so kind to help with that , let me try to ... we have had any technical or connection problems they have been attended to immediately by their efficient and courteous staff.[/nq]
This is perfectly good English and means that every time we have had problems in the past, they have been dealt with properly.
[nq:1]What seems a
This is perfectly good English and means that every time we have had problems in the past, they have been dealt with properly.
[nq:1]What seems a
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[nq:2]been attended to immediately by their efficient and courteous staff.[/nq]
[nq:1]This is perfectly good English and means that every time we have had problems in the past, they have been dealt with properly.[/nq]
Thank you. Your examples about France made it much clearer to me. Actually, since "When have you been to France?" is alright then "Whenever we have had..." is alright as well
[nq:1]This is perfectly good English and means that every time we have had problems in the past, they have been dealt with properly.[/nq]
Thank you. Your examples about France made it much clearer to me. Actually, since "When have you been to France?" is alright then "Whenever we have had..." is alright as well
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