Is it subjunctive or not?

Greetings, Ticce,

'Long live the Queen' is the example of the formulaic subjunctive, used in certain set expressions in independent clauses. The second example ('if I be lifted') can be found in clauses of condition, and is now considered by many to be very formal and even obsolete. It is called analytical present subjunctive. Were it 'if I should be lifted...', it

One more question.
Am I write saying that Subjunctive and Conditional are two different clauses?
Is there a chance that 'if I be lifted" can be a conditional mood?

PS: Could you give a web-site where some examples of PRESENT SUBJUNCTIVE are submitted?

Hi again, Ticce,

Yes, you are right. Conditionals are simply a type of adverbial clause, they may or may not (which is often the case) contain subjunctive - which is a mood (=finite clause type) basically expressing events that are not real, but desired, etc. (listing all the uses would take a lot of space). The other moods are indicative and imperative:

I will bring y

So If I want to say such a sentence

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If I be saying only good things about myself it wouldn't be true. (The old English)

As far as I understand you recommend that it be said like.

If I should be saying only good things about myself it wouldn't be true. (Future)

or
I

Ticce???? ? ???? ???????? ? ???? ?????? ???????, ?? ??? ????? ????????.

I think an English speaker would express it thus:

If I only speak well of myself, it can't all be true.
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(I don't see that anything subjunctive is needed.)

CJ

A syntax need is quite a relative matter )) I didn't say that there was a real need in using subjuntive. It is just that I wanted to

TicceI wanted to say it by means of subjunctive.

If the original has no "subjunctive-ness", the translation shouldn't have it either. When you are translating, you have to remain faithful to the meaning of the original. You can't arbitrarily say, "I want to say this with an indicative; I want to say that with a subjunctive; I want to say this other thing wi

CalifJimIf the original has no "subjunctive-ness", the translation shouldn't have it either.

Well, Jim it is great advice, but I want to ask you if you know the original langauge this phrase was writen in? What is the indication of subjunctive-ness in this langauge? If this langauge doesn't have subjuntivness at all, does it mean that it is not right to transl

Greetings to you, dear friends,

answering the questions raised in the second half of this thread, I should first agree with Jim, one of the top-gun specialists of the forums, that the original sentence, if translated word for word (or word by word) sounds rather artificial to a native ear. Jim, your considerations touching on the subject of translation studies are well-grounded, but som

Gleb,
I really wanted to learn the way how Jim would build up his system of presenting the point of subjunctivness in this case, you have given him more info than he needed, now his answer might be a bit akin to what you have said on the issue. Well, anyway I am to put up with it)))))

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