Is do/have? Is this grammatically correct? Thanks for your help.

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Have/Do you aware of Classic Car show is already taken place in our town square every 5th Saturday? We can help them to promote better for their show.

Aperisic · Accepted Answer

Nancy1982
Have/Do you aware of Classic Car show is already taken place in our town square every 5^th Saturday? We can help them to promote better for their show.

Are you aware that the Classic Car show takes place on/at our town square every 5^th Saturday? We can help them to promote better their show.

YoHf · Answer

Just one question. What do you mean by "every 5th saturday"?

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Nancy1982 · Answer

It means they only have classic car show on a month that has 5th Saturday.

Thank you very much for your help.

Nona the brit · Answer

You need to rephrase that part then. 'Every fifth Saturday' means literally that. There is a gap with no show for 4 weeks then on the fifth week there is a show, then another 4 week gap, and then a show, and then another four week gap, and then a show. For example, the next few shows would be on 19th August, 23rd September, 28th October, 2nd December.

If it is, as you say, only run on the 5th Saturday of months that have a fifth Saturday (so not every five weeks or even that often during the year) the next dates would be: 29th October and 30th December. (There wouldn't be shows in August, September or November).

To give this meaning you need to say 'the fifth Saturday of each month.'

Aperisic · Answer

Nona The Brit
You need to rephrase that part then. 'Every fifth Saturday' means literally that. There is a gap with no show for 4 weeks then on the fifth week there is a show, then another 4 week gap, and then a show, and then another four week gap, and then a show. For example, the next few shows would be on 19th August, 23rd September, 28th October, 2nd December.

If it is, as you say, only run on the 5th Saturday of months that have a fifth Saturday (so not every five weeks or even that often during the year) the next dates would be: 29th October and 30th December. (There wouldn't be shows in August, September or November).

To give this meaning you need to say 'the fifth Saturday of each month.'

Hi Nona The Brit,

5th Saturday is an expression used exactly for that (every 5th Saturday in a month that has five Saturdays). It is very common when you announce things like shows... and have them sporadically (it on average happens every third month). There are several companies with that name as well. Of course if your target group is the entire world maybe you should give a description, but in this case car shows do have, I think as well, that common 5th Saturday meaning.

(There are other similar expressions like 5th Sunday in Christianity that have the meaning on its own, but Saturday is very specific here. No other day, to my knowing, is used with that meaning.)

Example:

Fifth Saturday Audio Theatre

Our programs are broadcast on the 5th Saturday at 9:00PM They are repeated the following Friday at 10:00AM

BarbaraPA · Answer

I think if there is room for confusion, then you need to make sure your audience knows what you mean, exactly. Perhaps it *IS* a well-known phrase amongst people who promote shows, but not for the audience they are trying to attract. If I saw that something took place every fifth Saturday, I would make the assumption as Nona described. I am not a car-show enthusiast, but my husband might enjoy something like that on occasion, so if you want us to show up on the right date, you should use the phrasing Nona uses.

(I've never heard 5th Sunday either. What's that?)

On an unrelated note, this phrasing needs to be corrected: We can help them to promote better their show.

We can help them better promote their show or We can help them promote their show more widely or We can help them improve the promotion for their show.

Aperisic · Answer

Grammar Geek
(I've never heard 5th Sunday either. What's that?)

On an unrelated note, this phrasing needs to be corrected: We can help them to promote better their show.

We can help them better promote their show or We can help them promote their show more widely or We can help them improve the promotion for their show.

Nancy1982 asked about correctness and if anyone used 5th Saturday I think we should stick with that. It is not wrong and those who used it knew what it means and why they used it, I suppose.

On the other hand. to explain another similar case , i.e. 5th Sunday, I would need a lot of space and nobody would be really interested to hear.

Regarding help

help promote is as good as help to promote, but we have here can help to promote. Though, they say that can help him/them/us/you does not require to I am intrigued why and I have to investigate this detail more because sometimes its usage is interesting and points to things like this

"can help them be" 23.600 usages

"can help them to be" 9.230 usages

The difference is for some samples too small to decide.

Of course I suggest removing "to" (just in case

) but the word order, I think, is still acceptable.

Are you aware that the Classic Car show takes place on/at our town square every 5^th Saturday? We can help them promote better their show.

To explain on and at

on - the area where is the show

at - the point somewhere on the square

For example with on you want to say the place where it happens, and at to say where you want to meet someone or to say a car route.

[For "can help", I have to see more why people feel that "can help to" works fine and in what cases. Don't forget "can('t) help it" is a phrase. Stay tuned.]

BarbaraPA · Answer

My objection is to the word order "help them promote better their show."

I don't care about the "to" - it can be there or not, but I do care that it's better promote, or to better promote, not promote better.

You can write about the 5th Sunday in Topic of the Moment, if you have the inclination to talk about it.

I maintain that "every fifth Saturday" will lead to confusion that can be easily avoided. If you want the casual person who is NOT familiar with this specific usage to attend, make it easy for them to know when it is.

Aperisic · Answer

My objection is to the word order "help them promote better their show." I don't care about the "to" - it can be there or not,

I think the same, but your post intrigued me why people usually do not use "to", and sometimes they do not use it at all in "can help (to)"

but I do care that it's better promote, or to better promote, not promote better.

Well, it could sound slightly better that way but I don't see it being wrong, that's all. But that's just me.

You can write about the 5th Sunday in Topic of the Moment, if you have the inclination to talk about it.

Uh, there is no special discussion about that it is just the fact. Sorry to all, if this sounds boring. Well, the Christian faith as every other faith holds deeply its holidays. Some of them are Easter, Christmas, Apostle and Transfiguration. Some Christian denomination, and this is a custom from early days, have fasting period before these holidays (or, in case of Transfiguration, around them). It is not obligation to fast - it is only recommended. Before Easter there are always 7 weeks of fasting period - the Easter Lent or just the Lent. Each week has its name and number and each Sunday in it its particular principle, reason, intention, guidelines, readings. So when you see or read 5th Sunday in the church readings, it is the 5th Sunday of the 7 weeks, 40 weekdays, just before Easter.

And that's it. Now, you know the puzzle. Wasn't that much interesting, I told you.

I maintain that "every fifth Saturday" will lead to confusion that can be easily avoided. If you want the casual person who is NOT familiar with this specific usage to attend, make it easy for them to know when it is.

I agree, yet I think that those who used 5th Saturday have been using it for quite a while. Anyhow knowing all this, Nancy1982 can decide for the best.

Nona the brit · Answer

Asperic I agree with you on the Saturday thing and that is what I was trying to explain.

ON THE fifth Saturday' has a different meaning (the correct one) to EVERY fifth Saturday (which is the original phrasing).

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