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Langtraveler Posted 11 years ago
Grammar
inserted clause
Hello.
-It was the biggest change that I have ever heard a player make.
Someone said to me that one cannot replace the last "make" with "made" because of the verb "heard."
I understood, at the same time, however, I wonder if I cannot consider the clause "I have ever heard" as an inserted one and replace "make" with "made." Like this;
-It was the biggest change (I have ever heard) a player made.
If it is impossible, could you give some explanation?
Thank you in advance.
-It was the biggest change that I have ever heard a player make.
Someone said to me that one cannot replace the last "make" with "made" because of the verb "heard."
I understood, at the same time, however, I wonder if I cannot consider the clause "I have ever heard" as an inserted one and replace "make" with "made." Like this;
-It was the biggest change (I have ever heard) a player made.
If it is impossible, could you give some explanation?
Thank you in advance.
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The problem here seems to be the meaning of the given sentence. Without context, it doesn't appear to make sense. Typically, you don't "hear" a "change," you "see" it.
- The problem here seems to be the meaning of the given sentence.
- Without context, it doesn't appear to make sense.
- Typically, you don't "hear" a "change," you "see" it.
- And a person usually doesn't "make" a change, but rather, "undergoes" it.
- And the word "player" seems awkward here; this word can have several senses.
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The problem here seems to be the meaning of the given sentence. Without context, it doesn't appear to make sense. Typically, you don't "hear" a "change," you "see" it. And a person usually doesn't "make" a change, but rather, "undergoes" it. And the word "player" seems awkward here; this word can have several senses.
Without context, the only sentence - retaining most of the original
Without context, the only sentence - retaining most of the original
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langtravelerSomeone said to me that one cannot replace the last "make" with "made" ...That's correct.
langtraveler... because of the verb "heard."It's because "heard" is being followed by a (bare) infinitive, and (as you probably know) infinitives take the base (uninfected) form of the verb. Therefore, "made" would be inco
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langtraveler-It was the biggest change (I have ever heard) a player made.Yes, but a native speaker would add "that" (and possibly "of")
It was the biggest change I have ever heard (of) that a player made.
But better: It was the biggest change I have ever heard of that any player (has) ever made.
And there are probably
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I'm sorry and the reason why you feel the sentence awkward is the one who wrote this sentence is me. I wanted to say that a young athelete made such a great improvement that I've never heard of it.
Thank you for your corrections!
Thank you for your corrections!
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Thank you for your explanations.
Could I ask one more?
It was the biggest change (I have ever seen) a player made.
It was the change that (I thought) was the best.
Why the first one is incorrect while the second is correct?
Could you tell me the difference?
Could I ask one more?
It was the biggest change (I have ever seen) a player made.
It was the change that (I thought) was the best.
Why the first one is incorrect while the second is correct?
Could you tell me the difference?
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Thank you for your corrections.
Looking my sentence after your reply, it really seems to talk about musical player. (In fact, what I intended was about a young athelete!
Looking my sentence after your reply, it really seems to talk about musical player. (In fact, what I intended was about a young athelete!
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