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Usenet Posted 21 years ago
English in UK
'ing' form of 'to stymie' (& do any other vbs end in 'ie' pronounced [i]?)
'stimying', 'stymieing', 'stymying'
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For the 'ing' form of the verb 'to stymie', OED2 gives only 'stimying', used in a golfing context in 1857.
Is 'stymieing' not more common today? It appears, for example:
- on 13 Jul 2005, in the Guardian
('stymieing King's own attempt to link up with the Swedish company, SKF')
(http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,9061,1527299,00.ht ml)
- on 2 May 2005, in the Times
('the stymieing of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks') (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3284-1594028,00.html)
- on 22 Nov 2004, in the headline of an article in the Washington Times ('Blair-Bush allegiance stymieing Tory leader')
(http://www.washtimes.com/world/20041122-124931-9416r.htm)
- on 5 May 2002, in a letter of the American Bar Association to the House of Delegates
('too many such requirements could have the effect of stymieing appropriate and necessary rulemaking')
(http://www.abanet.org/poladv/letters/107th/privacy050702attach.pdf)
'Stymying' is also used, for example:
- on 29 Jan 2002, in the Financial Times
('This so-called 20:20 rule had the effect of stymying only two groups') (http://specials.ft.com/creativebusiness/jan292002/FT38TG4E0XC.html)
- on 10 Jan 2002, by the BBC
('fabrication aimed at stymying efforts to secure peace') (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle east/1753546.stm)
- on 10 Apr 2001, in the record of proceedings of the Northern Ireland Assembly
('the stymying of democracy')
('http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/record/reports/010410.htm')
- on 16 Nov 1992, in the Wall Street Journal
('either by stymying it altogether or by dissipating the funds') (https://subscribe.wsj.com/microexamples/articlefiles/SomeDefenseSpendin gFundstoGoElsewhere.doc)
A quick websearch brought up no recent instances of 'stimying' in any major newspaper.
I would be interested to hear people's views on the overall picture with regard to past and current usage.
Perhaps the orthographic variation is partly explained by the fact that it is so rare for an English verb to end in 'ie', pronounced (i)? Indeed are there any other verbs at all that do this?
Neil
Neil Fernandez
==
For the 'ing' form of the verb 'to stymie', OED2 gives only 'stimying', used in a golfing context in 1857.
Is 'stymieing' not more common today? It appears, for example:
- on 13 Jul 2005, in the Guardian
('stymieing King's own attempt to link up with the Swedish company, SKF')
(http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,9061,1527299,00.ht ml)
- on 2 May 2005, in the Times
('the stymieing of Israeli-Palestinian peace talks') (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3284-1594028,00.html)
- on 22 Nov 2004, in the headline of an article in the Washington Times ('Blair-Bush allegiance stymieing Tory leader')
(http://www.washtimes.com/world/20041122-124931-9416r.htm)
- on 5 May 2002, in a letter of the American Bar Association to the House of Delegates
('too many such requirements could have the effect of stymieing appropriate and necessary rulemaking')
(http://www.abanet.org/poladv/letters/107th/privacy050702attach.pdf)
'Stymying' is also used, for example:
- on 29 Jan 2002, in the Financial Times
('This so-called 20:20 rule had the effect of stymying only two groups') (http://specials.ft.com/creativebusiness/jan292002/FT38TG4E0XC.html)
- on 10 Jan 2002, by the BBC
('fabrication aimed at stymying efforts to secure peace') (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle east/1753546.stm)
- on 10 Apr 2001, in the record of proceedings of the Northern Ireland Assembly
('the stymying of democracy')
('http://www.niassembly.gov.uk/record/reports/010410.htm')
- on 16 Nov 1992, in the Wall Street Journal
('either by stymying it altogether or by dissipating the funds') (https://subscribe.wsj.com/microexamples/articlefiles/SomeDefenseSpendin gFundstoGoElsewhere.doc)
A quick websearch brought up no recent instances of 'stimying' in any major newspaper.
I would be interested to hear people's views on the overall picture with regard to past and current usage.
Perhaps the orthographic variation is partly explained by the fact that it is so rare for an English verb to end in 'ie', pronounced (i)? Indeed are there any other verbs at all that do this?
Neil
Neil Fernandez
Top answer
[/nq] An example where the regular rules of formation break down. 'Stymie' is a noun, and not even an English noun at that- it's Scots. ).
- [/nq] An example where the regular rules of formation break down.
- 'Stymie' is a noun, and not even an English noun at that- it's Scots.
- ).
- ), and 'stymied' LOOKS like a regular past tense but note that the -ied already had the -ie.
- Extending the same would give 'stymieing' by analogy, but it looks ugly on the page, so perhaps that's where the 'stymying' form comes from.
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[nq:1]'stimying', 'stymieing', 'stymying' == For the 'ing' form of the verb 'to stymie', OED2 gives only 'stimying', used in a golfing context in 1857.[/nq]
An example where the regular rules of formation break down. 'Stymie' is a noun, and not even an English noun at that- it's Scots. I can't think of any other nouns offhand that end inie (OK, Brie..). 'To stymie' is a regular formation
An example where the regular rules of formation break down. 'Stymie' is a noun, and not even an English noun at that- it's Scots. I can't think of any other nouns offhand that end in
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Paul Burke kirjoitti:
[nq:1]I can't think of any other nouns offhand that end in -ie (OK, Brie..).[/nq]
What?! How about Stevie, Jamie, Johnnie, and countless other first names?
.... Tommi Nieminen .... http://www.saunalahti.fi/~tommni/ .... Csak füvön élt a kis zebr
[nq:1]I can't think of any other nouns offhand that end in -ie (OK, Brie..).[/nq]
What?! How about Stevie, Jamie, Johnnie, and countless other first names?
.... Tommi Nieminen .... http://www.saunalahti.fi/~tommni/ .... Csak füvön élt a kis zebr
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[nq:1]Perhaps the orthographic variation is partly explained by the fact that it is so rare for an English verb to end in 'ie', pronounced (i)? Indeed are there any other verbs at all that do this?[/nq]
"He birdied on the 10th hole, but bogied the 11th, and caddied for the rest of the tournament. They boogied all night. The troop sortied forth."
Greg Lee (Email Removed)
"He birdied on the 10th hole, but bogied the 11th, and caddied for the rest of the tournament. They boogied all night. The troop sortied forth."
Greg Lee (Email Removed)
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[nq:1]Paul Burke kirjoitti:[/nq]
[nq:2]I can't think of any other nouns offhand that end in -ie (OK, Brie..).[/nq]
[nq:1]What?! How about Stevie, Jamie, Johnnie, and countless other first names?[/nq]
It's true that they are Proper Nouns but in ordinary usage they are not "nouns" they are names.
[nq:2]I can't think of any other nouns offhand that end in -ie (OK, Brie..).[/nq]
[nq:1]What?! How about Stevie, Jamie, Johnnie, and countless other first names?[/nq]
It's true that they are Proper Nouns but in ordinary usage they are not "nouns" they are names.
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[nq:1]"He birdied on the 10th hole, but bogied the 11th, and caddied for the rest of the tournament. They boogied all night. The troop sortied forth."[/nq]
We are boogieing then sortieing out and caddieing until bogieing and stymieing happens?
The common factor (apart from boogie of which I knaw nassing) is that they are all verbs formed from non- (standard)English nouns (Scots most of the
We are boogieing then sortieing out and caddieing until bogieing and stymieing happens?
The common factor (apart from boogie of which I knaw nassing) is that they are all verbs formed from non- (standard)English nouns (Scots most of the
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[nq:2]"He birdied on the 10th hole, but bogied the 11th, ... the tournament. They boogied all night. The troop sortied forth."[/nq]
[nq:1]We are boogieing then sortieing out and caddieing until bogieing and stymieing happens?[/nq]
Wouldn't the word be spelled "caddying"? I would spell it thus.
Tony Cooper
Orlando FL
[nq:1]We are boogieing then sortieing out and caddieing until bogieing and stymieing happens?[/nq]
Wouldn't the word be spelled "caddying"? I would spell it thus.
Tony Cooper
Orlando FL
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[nq:2]'stimying', 'stymieing', 'stymying' == For the 'ing' form of the verb 'to stymie', OED2 gives only 'stimying', used in a golfing context in 1857.[/nq]
[nq:1]An example where the regular rules of formation break down. 'Stymie' is a noun, and not even an English noun at that- it's Scots. I can't think of any other nouns offhand that end in -ie (OK, Brie..).[/nq]
'collie'
[nq:1]'To
[nq:1]An example where the regular rules of formation break down. 'Stymie' is a noun, and not even an English noun at that- it's Scots. I can't think of any other nouns offhand that end in -ie (OK, Brie..).[/nq]
'collie'
[nq:1]'To
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[nq:2]"He birdied on the 10th hole...[/nq]
[nq:1]Yes you birdie a hole. ...but bogied the 11th... Nope you bogey the 11th.[/nq]
And on a previous occasion, 'bogeyed' it. I haven't seen 'bogied' in this meaning.
[nq:1]...and caddied for the... Caddy for[/nq]
[nq:2]rest of the tournament. They boogied all night...[/nq]
[nq:1]You boogie-woogie indeed. The troop sortied forth." The
[nq:1]Yes you birdie a hole. ...but bogied the 11th... Nope you bogey the 11th.[/nq]
And on a previous occasion, 'bogeyed' it. I haven't seen 'bogied' in this meaning.
[nq:1]...and caddied for the... Caddy for[/nq]
[nq:2]rest of the tournament. They boogied all night...[/nq]
[nq:1]You boogie-woogie indeed. The troop sortied forth." The
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[nq:2]We are boogieing then sortieing out and caddieing until bogieing and stymieing happens?[/nq]
[nq:1]Wouldn't the word be spelled "caddying"? I would spell it thus.[/nq]
OED2 gives no examples of 'caddie' used as a verb.
But we still might do some birdieing, boogieing, and sortieing before the stymieing starts :-)
Neil
Neil Fernandez
[nq:1]Wouldn't the word be spelled "caddying"? I would spell it thus.[/nq]
OED2 gives no examples of 'caddie' used as a verb.
But we still might do some birdieing, boogieing, and sortieing before the stymieing starts :-)
Neil
Neil Fernandez
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[nq:2]'stimying', 'stymieing', 'stymying' == For the 'ing' form of the verb 'to stymie', OED2 gives only 'stimying', used in a golfing context in 1857.[/nq]
[nq:1]An example where the regular rules of formation break down. 'Stymie' is a noun, and not even an English noun at that- it's Scots. I can't think of any other nouns offhand that end in -ie (OK, Brie..).[/nq]
The die is cast...
[nq:1]An example where the regular rules of formation break down. 'Stymie' is a noun, and not even an English noun at that- it's Scots. I can't think of any other nouns offhand that end in -ie (OK, Brie..).[/nq]
The die is cast...
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