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Buzel Posted 20 years ago
Grammar
In order for smth to happen
Is there any difference in meaning between the two phrases?
1. A lot of efforts should be made for universal schooling to become real in Africa.
2. A lot of efforts should be made in order for universal schooling to become real in Africa.
1. A lot of efforts should be made for universal schooling to become real in Africa.
2. A lot of efforts should be made in order for universal schooling to become real in Africa.
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Hi Buzel, It's ungrammatical to say or write in order for. It ought to be in order to : In order to make sure I would be there on time, I took an earlier train. Only sentence 1 is correct, and 'for' is the only grammatical choice there unless you want to reword the sentence.
- Hi Buzel, It's ungrammatical to say or write in order for.
- It ought to be in order to : In order to make sure I would be there on time, I took an earlier train.
- Only sentence 1 is correct, and 'for' is the only grammatical choice there unless you want to reword the sentence.
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Hi Buzel,
It's ungrammatical to say or write in order for. It ought to be in order to:
In order to make sure I would be there on time, I took an earlier train.
Only sentence 1 is correct, and 'for' is the only grammatical choice there unless you want to reword the sentence.
It's ungrammatical to say or write in order for. It ought to be in order to:
In order to make sure I would be there on time, I took an earlier train.
Only sentence 1 is correct, and 'for' is the only grammatical choice there unless you want to reword the sentence.
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I think there are plenty of times that "in order for" is grammatical. In order for X to happen, Y must happen first.
However, in many cases (as with "in order to") you can omit the "in order" and just proceed with the "for" (or the "to").
I would edit the original to begin with "In order for..." and move what had been in the front to follow. Also, the "should" doesn't sound right
However, in many cases (as with "in order to") you can omit the "in order" and just proceed with the "for" (or the "to").
I would edit the original to begin with "In order for..." and move what had been in the front to follow. Also, the "should" doesn't sound right
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Grammar GeekHowever, in many cases (as with "in order to") you can omit the "in order" and just proceed with the "for" (or the "to").Garner, in Modern American Usage, agrees with you:"in order for" is, in most cases, a wordy version of "for."
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So, as i understood, bare "for" will be ok in any case, right?
Thank you, all.
Thank you, all.
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Buzel, I'm not prepared to say that you ocan do it in ANY case. As we said above, in most cases, that is true. There may be times when it just doesn't work, or it doesn't read as well.
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Hi Grammar Geek,
You said:
You said:
I think there are plenty of times that "in order for" is grammatical. In order for X to happen, Y must happen first.Yes, I had forgotten about the infinitive.
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Hi Grammar Geek,
You said:
You said:
I think there are plenty of times that "in order for" is grammatical. In order for X to happen, Y must happen first.Yes, I had forgotten about the infinitive.
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Maybe it's just me, but I feel that in order for contains a nuance of meaning not present in plain for. in order for gives more of a sense of preparation toward a goal.
The first sentence suggests to me that efforts should be made directly upon the problem of universal schooling in Africa. It suggests that such efforts can be made directly.
The second sug
The first sentence suggests to me that efforts should be made directly upon the problem of universal schooling in Africa. It suggests that such efforts can be made directly.
The second sug
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