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I/me included?
A recent thread in fr.lettres.langue.anglaise has got me wondering what people here in aue think about I vs. me in the following sentence:
"All personnel, you and I/me included, shall report for duty."
One opinion is that "you and I/me" is the 'object' of "included", so it should be "me". But it seems to me that "included" functions here as a (passive) past participle modifying "you and I/me", which in turn is an appositive phrase qualifying, and so taking its case from, "all personnel".
Of course, it doesn't help that there's interference with the semantically equivalent version "All personnel, including you and me, ...", not to mention the ubiquitous colloquial usage of object pronouns in many places where Miss Thistlebottom would insist on subject forms.
Opinions?
Jim Heckman
"All personnel, you and I/me included, shall report for duty."
One opinion is that "you and I/me" is the 'object' of "included", so it should be "me". But it seems to me that "included" functions here as a (passive) past participle modifying "you and I/me", which in turn is an appositive phrase qualifying, and so taking its case from, "all personnel".
Of course, it doesn't help that there's interference with the semantically equivalent version "All personnel, including you and me, ...", not to mention the ubiquitous colloquial usage of object pronouns in many places where Miss Thistlebottom would insist on subject forms.
Opinions?
Jim Heckman
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anglaise has got me wondering what people here in aue think about I vs. me in ... mention the ubiquitous colloquial usage of object pronouns in many places where Miss Thistlebottom would insist on subject forms.
- anglaise has got me wondering what people here in aue think about I vs.
- me in ...
- mention the ubiquitous colloquial usage of object pronouns in many places where Miss Thistlebottom would insist on subject forms.
- [/nq] Opinion: You and me.
- Maria Conlon
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[nq:1]A recent thread in fr.lettres.langue.anglaise has got me wondering what people here in aue think about I vs. me in ... mention the ubiquitous colloquial usage of object pronouns in many places where Miss Thistlebottom would insist on subject forms. Opinions?[/nq]
Opinion: You and me.
Maria Conlon
Opinion: You and me.
Maria Conlon
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The inimitable "Maria Conlon" (Email Removed) stated on 14 Jul 7616:
[nq:2]A recent thread in fr.lettres.langue.anglaise has got me wondering what ... places where Miss Thistlebottom would insist on subject forms. Opinions?[/nq]
[nq:1]Opinion: You and me.[/nq]
I second that e-motion.
[nq:2]A recent thread in fr.lettres.langue.anglaise has got me wondering what ... places where Miss Thistlebottom would insist on subject forms. Opinions?[/nq]
[nq:1]Opinion: You and me.[/nq]
I second that e-motion.
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[nq:1]A recent thread in fr.lettres.langue.anglaise has got me wondering what people here in aue think about I vs. me in ... mention the ubiquitous colloquial usage of object pronouns in many places where Miss Thistlebottom would insist on subject forms. Opinions?[/nq]
All means all. It's redundant to qualify it by stating who all includes. It automatically includes everyone. So, the sentence
All means all. It's redundant to qualify it by stating who all includes. It automatically includes everyone. So, the sentence
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[nq:1]A recent thread in fr.lettres.langue.anglaise has got me wondering what people here in aue think about I vs. me in ... "you and I/me", which in turn is an appositive phrase qualifying, and so taking its case from, "all personnel". Opinions?[/nq]
"You and I included" sounds better to me, as would "I included" rather than "me included."
But I wouldn't be likely to use that form; I'd sa
"You and I included" sounds better to me, as would "I included" rather than "me included."
But I wouldn't be likely to use that form; I'd sa
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[nq:2]A recent thread in fr.lettres.langue.anglaise has got me wondering what ... places where Miss Thistlebottom would insist on subject forms. Opinions?[/nq]
[nq:1]All means all. It's redundant to qualify it by stating who all includes. It automatically includes everyone. So, the sentence whould read: "All personnel shall report for duty."[/nq]
But now you've lost the emphasis. 'You' and
[nq:1]All means all. It's redundant to qualify it by stating who all includes. It automatically includes everyone. So, the sentence whould read: "All personnel shall report for duty."[/nq]
But now you've lost the emphasis. 'You' and
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[nq:2]All means all. It's redundant to qualify it by stating ... the sentence should read: "All personnel shall report for duty."[/nq]
[nq:1]But now you've lost the emphasis. 'You' and 'I/me' may be special persons who might be thought to be exceptions.[/nq]
Fair enough. In which case, I think it's clear it should be "me."
Whenever I'm faced with a question like this, whose answer
[nq:1]But now you've lost the emphasis. 'You' and 'I/me' may be special persons who might be thought to be exceptions.[/nq]
Fair enough. In which case, I think it's clear it should be "me."
Whenever I'm faced with a question like this, whose answer
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[nq:1]A recent thread in fr.lettres.langue.anglaise has got me wondering what people here in aue think about I vs. me in ... to mention the ubiquitous colloquial usage of object pronouns in many places where Miss Thistlebottom would insist on subject forms.[/nq]
I think Mrs. Thistlebottom thinks it should be "I", as you say, maybe seeing the phrase as short for "you and I being included". But
I think Mrs. Thistlebottom thinks it should be "I", as you say, maybe seeing the phrase as short for "you and I being included". But
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[nq:2]A recent thread in fr.lettres.langue.anglaise has got me wondering what ... places where Miss Thistlebottom would insist on subject forms. Opinions?[/nq]
[nq:1]Opinion: You and me.[/nq]
Good opinion!
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
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[nq:1]Opinion: You and me.[/nq]
Good opinion!
Skitt (in Hayward, California)
www.geocities.com/opus731/
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}> "All personnel, you and I/me included, shall report for duty." ...
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} Opinion: You and me.
Religion: "me and you".
R. J. Valentine
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}> "All personnel, you and I/me included, shall report for duty." ...
}> Opinions?
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} Opinion: You and me.
Religion: "me and you".
R. J. Valentine
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[nq:1]}> A recent thread in fr.lettres.langue.anglaise has got me }> wondering what people here in aue think about I vs. ... and I/me included, shall report for duty." ... }> Opinions? } } Opinion: You and me. Religion: "me and you".[/nq]
ITYM "I and thou".
ITYM "I and thou".
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