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Usenet Posted 22 years ago
English in UK
Idioms
Hello group!
Could someone help with the following doubt I have?
The context: a toast at a wedding.
The toast starts "From your family and friends"
I thought "familY and friends" made it sound as if the toast was coming from one of the couple's families rather than both families as I think the intention was.
For that I was had a go at by someone saying that "family and friends" is an idiom that already means plurality (i.e: the members of the family, not just a person in the family).
I tried to argue that if anything, family was a collective or group name meaning the plurality of the members in that one family, but it still sounds to me as it should be familIES if the intention is for the toast to come from both the groom's and the bride's families (and their friends).
Am I completely wrong? Does the idiom "family and friends" mean any number of families connected to the persons it relates to?
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Could someone help with the following doubt I have?
The context: a toast at a wedding.
The toast starts "From your family and friends"
I thought "familY and friends" made it sound as if the toast was coming from one of the couple's families rather than both families as I think the intention was.
For that I was had a go at by someone saying that "family and friends" is an idiom that already means plurality (i.e: the members of the family, not just a person in the family).
I tried to argue that if anything, family was a collective or group name meaning the plurality of the members in that one family, but it still sounds to me as it should be familIES if the intention is for the toast to come from both the groom's and the bride's families (and their friends).
Am I completely wrong? Does the idiom "family and friends" mean any number of families connected to the persons it relates to?
E
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[nq:1]Hello group! Could someone help with the following doubt I have? The context: a toast at a wedding.
- [nq:1]Hello group!
- Could someone help with the following doubt I have?
- The context: a toast at a wedding.
- The toast ...
- completely wrong?
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[nq:1]Hello group! Could someone help with the following doubt I have? The context: a toast at a wedding. The toast ... completely wrong? Does the idiom "family and friends" mean any number of families connected to the persons it relates to?[/nq]
When they got married they became one family.
m.
When they got married they became one family.
m.
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[nq:1]Hello group! Could someone help with the following doubt I have? The context: a toast at a wedding. The toast ... I completely wrong? Does the idiom "family and friends" mean anynumber of families connected to the persons it relates to?[/nq]
Two thoughts :
1. "Family and friends" probably comes into the category of phrasesthat are too well known and need an occasional variant, so "fa
Two thoughts :
1. "Family and friends" probably comes into the category of phrasesthat are too well known and need an occasional variant, so "fa
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[nq:1]When they got married they became one family.[/nq]
And:
[nq:1]2. (PEDANT) Assuming that the toast is at the reception, which is after the ceremony, then what has just happened ... friends" would still technically be correct. If it were me making the speech, I might even make that point. (/PEDANT)[/nq]
Jeezz... It must be that I was brought up in an environment that made the Monta
And:
[nq:1]2. (PEDANT) Assuming that the toast is at the reception, which is after the ceremony, then what has just happened ... friends" would still technically be correct. If it were me making the speech, I might even make that point. (/PEDANT)[/nq]
Jeezz... It must be that I was brought up in an environment that made the Monta
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We are talking extended family here. Just like your cousins etc. are in separate families, they are part of your extended family.
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[nq:1]We are talking extended family here. Just like your cousins etc. are in separate families, they are part of your extended family.[/nq]
Well, yes, but with my cousins there is a blood line. For my children my family of origin and their father's family of origin would count as one as there are blood lines both ways, but that is not the case between me and my husband's family of origin and
Well, yes, but with my cousins there is a blood line. For my children my family of origin and their father's family of origin would count as one as there are blood lines both ways, but that is not the case between me and my husband's family of origin and
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[nq:1]Hello group! Could someone help with the following doubt I have? The context: a toast at a wedding. The toast starts "From your family and friends"[/nq]
Is this a trick question? Toasts start "To..." not "From..."
Adrian
Is this a trick question? Toasts start "To..." not "From..."
Adrian
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[nq:1]Hello group! Could someone help with the following doubt I have? The context: a toast at a wedding. The toast ... wrong? Does the idiom "family and friends" mean any number of families connected to the persons it relates to? E[/nq]
This seems to be an unnecessarily complicated query. Firstly, a toast: "From your family and friends" is nonsense. When you propose a toast, the correct prepo
This seems to be an unnecessarily complicated query. Firstly, a toast: "From your family and friends" is nonsense. When you propose a toast, the correct prepo
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Proposing a toast tends to involve two stages. First, introductory words by the proposer - which might easily start "From...", second, the actual words to be repeated by the guests which will indeed be "To...".
I may have been mistaken, but I assumed that "From family and friends" was the start of the proposal, rather than that of the toast itself.
[nq:1]Secondly what is included in t
I may have been mistaken, but I assumed that "From family and friends" was the start of the proposal, rather than that of the toast itself.
[nq:1]Secondly what is included in t
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[nq:2]The context: a toast at a wedding. The toast starts "From your family and friends"[/nq]
[nq:1]Is this a trick question? Toasts start "To..." not "From..."[/nq]
Lol, I don't know, the full "toast" was:
From your family and friends,
Love, health and happiness
For all your days.
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[nq:1]Is this a trick question? Toasts start "To..." not "From..."[/nq]
Lol, I don't know, the full "toast" was:
From your family and friends,
Love, health and happiness
For all your days.
E
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[nq:2]Is this a trick question? Toasts start "To..." not "From..."[/nq]
[nq:1]Lol, I don't know, the full "toast" was: From your family and friends, Love, health and happiness For all your days.[/nq]
"Family" here is a group noun (like "money" or "milk"), and shouldn't be pluralised. Also, at a wedding the two families make one big happy family. -)
Adrian
[nq:1]Lol, I don't know, the full "toast" was: From your family and friends, Love, health and happiness For all your days.[/nq]
"Family" here is a group noun (like "money" or "milk"), and shouldn't be pluralised. Also, at a wedding the two families make one big happy family. -)
Adrian
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