I ordered the room (to be) cleaned

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I have known the verbs are a little which can take a past participle as an objective complement.
Below are the verbs I know can take a past participle as an objective complement.
: leave, have, get, let, verbs of perception

But I have recently known the verb 'order' can take a past participle as an objective complement.
So I was wondering whether the rule of 'order' can be applied to the other verbs which take to-infinitive as an objective complement, as in followings.

1) I ordered the room (to be) cleaned.
2) I order you (to be) washed
3) I asked the room (to be) cleaned.
4) I forced the room (to be) cleaned.
5) I required the room (to be) cleaned.
6) I allowed the empty plates (to be) taken away.
7) I permitted the empty plates (to be) taken away.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Fivejedjon · Accepted Answer

Sentences #2 to #7 are not possible.

Park sang joon · Answer

Thank you, fivejedjon, for your answer.
Then, Can I use only 'order' for this usage in the case an object is a thing?

AlpheccaStars · Answer

park sang joon3) I asked the room (to be) cleaned.

You cannot ask the room anything. It will not answer.

park sang joon4) I forced the room (to be) cleaned.

You cannot force a room to move or to do anything. It will not respond.
A possible (but awkward) version requires "that".

I require that the room be cleaned within the hour before the president's arrival.

park sang joon6) I allowed the empty plates (to be) taken away.

This is the most plausible of your sentences. The natural version is: "I allowed them to take the empty plates away."

Park sang joon · Answer

Thank you, AlpheccaStars, for your elaborate answer.

You cannot ask the room anything. It will not answer.
You cannot force a room to move or to do anything. It will not respond.

1) I ordered the room (to be) cleaned.
Then, can I order a room to do something?

6) I allowed the empty plates (to be) taken away.
This is the most plausible of your sentences.

Then, Is #6 grammatical?
I'd like to assure myself that only 'order' can take a past participle as an objective complement among verbs which take to-infinitive as an objective complement.

CalifJim · Answer

park sang joona past participle as an objective complement

The structures you're working with here are catenatives, not object complements, but maybe that's a difference in terminology you're getting from your grammar book.

I don't find any of your examples convincing. Even the first one seems only borderline grammatical without "to be".

park sang joonother verbs

I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, but here are some possibilities.

I wanted the car (to be) repaired.
I considered the problem (to be) solved.

park sang joonleave, have, get, let, verbs of perception

Not all of these allow the form VERB (something) to be -en.

CJ

Park sang joon · Answer

Thank you, Mr.Jim for your elaborate answer.

I wanted the car (to be) repaired.

Thank you, I have just remembered that 'want' allows the verb form to be '-en'.
Could you tell me some more verbs which allow the verb form to be '-en'?

Not all of these allow the form VERB (something) to be -en.

1) The judge ruled that suppression of the evidence was required because it had been obtained illegally, and ordered the defendant released from prison.
2) You're going to get us all killed!
3) I need to get the washing machine fixed.
4) We'd only just had a new engine put in.
5) He let it broken.
6) He left her wounded.

How about those sentences?

AlpheccaStars · Answer

1) The judge ruled that suppression of the evidence was required because it had been obtained illegally, and ordered (that) the defendant be released from prison.
This is the subjunctive form after a command.
Read this explanation: http://www.englishpage.com/minitutorials/subjunctive.html

2) You're going to get us all killed!
3) I need to get the washing machine fixed.
These are examples of the causative verb get.
http://esl.about.com/od/grammarstructures/a/causative.htm

4) We'd only just had a new engine put in.
This is an example of the causative verb have.

5) He let it be broken.
This is an example of the causative verb let.

6) He left her wounded.
"wounded" modifies "her".
It is not a verb form that follows "leave"
The sentence is fine without the modifier:
He left her.

Park sang joon · Answer

Thank you, AlpheccaStars, for your continuing to answer.

1) The judge ruled that suppression of the evidence was required because it had been obtained illegally, and ordered (that) the defendant be released from prison.
This is the subjunctive form after a command.

How can 'be' is omitted in #1?

These are examples of the causative verb get.
This is an example of the causative verb have.
This is an example of the causative verb let.

Other causative verbs don't allow the verb form to be '-en'. For example: make, help

6) He left her wounded.
"wounded" modifies "her".
It is not a verb form that follows "leave"

I didn't know; thank you ver much.
Then, do you think 'order' allows the verb form to be '-en' and that 'leave' doesn't allow?

CalifJim · Answer

park sang joonHow about those sentences?

There may some misunderstanding. I thought you wanted verbs that took "to be" or not, optionally. Only your example 1) works like that.

1) works like that. ... ordered the defendant (to be) released from prison.
2) doesn't. ... get us all to be killed is wrong.
3) doesn't work. ... get ... to be fixed is wrong.
4) doesn't ... had an engine to be put in is wrong.
5) is wrong, and ... let it to be broken is also wrong, so "let" won't do at all.
6) doesn't work as ... left her to be wounded without changing the meaning.

CJ

Park sang joon · Answer

Thank you, Mr.Jim, for your elaborate accounts.
But your answer isn't what I'd like to know; I'm So Sorry.

Maybe, I might have to admit to my poor English causing you confused.
I'd like to know verbs which have following structure:
Subject + verb(in question) + Object + ~ed [past participle]

I ordered the room (to be) cleaned

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