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How many pronouns for ' you'?
Hi,
I was going through the works of Shakespeare and I found something weird(maybe just for me).
*JULIET
Wilt thou be gone? it is not yet near day:
It was the nightingale, and not the lark,
That pierced the fearful hollow of thine ear;
Nightly she sings on yon pomegranate-tree:
Believe me, love, it was the nightingale.
In this paragraph,they're using 'thou'(At the top line).
And I assume that many people would know the expression "I love thee" and they've used 'thee'.
"I have given them Thy Word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I do not ask Thee to take them out of the world, but to keep them from evil one. Sanctify them in truth; Thy Word is truth is truth. As Thou didst send me into the world, I also have sent them into the world."
-John 17:14-16, NASB-
Now here is another pronoun 'thy' that seems to be related with the word you.
How many different pronouns were there that stands for 'You'? And are these "thee,thou,thy" all the same meaning? Are there more?
Your answer would be most helpful:) Thanks!
Eun-Jung Kim(Seoul,South Korea)
I was going through the works of Shakespeare and I found something weird(maybe just for me).
*JULIET
Wilt thou be gone? it is not yet near day:
It was the nightingale, and not the lark,
That pierced the fearful hollow of thine ear;
Nightly she sings on yon pomegranate-tree:
Believe me, love, it was the nightingale.
In this paragraph,they're using 'thou'(At the top line).
And I assume that many people would know the expression "I love thee" and they've used 'thee'.
"I have given them Thy Word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I do not ask Thee to take them out of the world, but to keep them from evil one. Sanctify them in truth; Thy Word is truth is truth. As Thou didst send me into the world, I also have sent them into the world."
-John 17:14-16, NASB-
Now here is another pronoun 'thy' that seems to be related with the word you.
How many different pronouns were there that stands for 'You'? And are these "thee,thou,thy" all the same meaning? Are there more?
Your answer would be most helpful:) Thanks!
Eun-Jung Kim(Seoul,South Korea)
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(Snip examples of "thee," "thou," etc) [nq:1]How many different pronouns were there that stands for 'You'? And are these "thee,thou,thy" all the same meaning? Are there more?
- (Snip examples of "thee," "thou," etc) [nq:1]How many different pronouns were there that stands for 'You'?
- And are these "thee,thou,thy" all the same meaning?
- Are there more?
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(Snip examples of "thee," "thou," etc)
[nq:1]How many different pronouns were there that stands for 'You'? And are these "thee,thou,thy" all the same meaning? Are there more? Your answer would be most helpful:) Thanks![/nq]
We've got a short, basic article on the subject at our website:
Thou, thee & archaic grammar
[nq:1]How many different pronouns were there that stands for 'You'? And are these "thee,thou,thy" all the same meaning? Are there more? Your answer would be most helpful:) Thanks![/nq]
We've got a short, basic article on the subject at our website:
Thou, thee & archaic grammar
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[nq:1]Hi, I was going through the works of Shakespeare and I found something weird(maybe just for me). *JULIET Wilt thou be gone? it is not yet near day: In this paragraph,they're using 'thou'(At the top line).[/nq]
Nominative case ("thou" = subject).
[nq:1]And I assume that many people would know the expression "I love thee" and they've used 'thee'.[/nq]
Objective case ("thee" = objec
Nominative case ("thou" = subject).
[nq:1]And I assume that many people would know the expression "I love thee" and they've used 'thee'.[/nq]
Objective case ("thee" = objec
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[nq:1]Hi, I was going through the works of Shakespeare and I found something weird(maybe just for me). *JULIET Wilt thou ... for 'You'? And are these "thee,thou,thy" all the same meaning? Are there more? Your answer would be most helpful:) Thanks![/nq]
Thou is used for the subject of a sentence.
Thee is used for the object
Thy is the possessive, and thine is a sort of attributive posse
Thou is used for the subject of a sentence.
Thee is used for the object
Thy is the possessive, and thine is a sort of attributive posse
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[nq:1] Thy is the possessive, and thine is a sort of attributive possessive "thine are the cattle on a thousand hills" but "thy %*# cattle got into my garden and ate my cabbages.".[/nq]
Nope. It's still "Thine accursed cattle got into my garden."
Are there possessives that aren't "attributive"?
\\P. Schultz
Nope. It's still "Thine accursed cattle got into my garden."
Are there possessives that aren't "attributive"?
\\P. Schultz
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[nq:2] Thy is the possessive, and thine is a sort ... "thy %*# cattle got into mygarden and ate my cabbages.".[/nq]
[nq:1]Nope. It's still "Thine accursed cattle got into my garden."[/nq]
It may well have been at one time, but I expect that, in a process similar to what happened when "mine uncle"(1) was replaced with "my uncle," this use of "thine" was replaced with "thy."
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[nq:1]Nope. It's still "Thine accursed cattle got into my garden."[/nq]
It may well have been at one time, but I expect that, in a process similar to what happened when "mine uncle"(1) was replaced with "my uncle," this use of "thine" was replaced with "thy."
(I first d
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[nq:1]It may well have been at one time, but I expect that, in a process similar to what happened when ... where a more modern-sounding translation would have used "my animals." This word-choice must have been some sort of deliberate archaism.)[/nq]
As to "my" vs. "mine," has anyone mentioned that "mine" was always used before words beginning with a vowel? Mine animals, mine eyes, mine uncle,
As to "my" vs. "mine," has anyone mentioned that "mine" was always used before words beginning with a vowel? Mine animals, mine eyes, mine uncle,
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[nq:2]It may well have been at one time, but I ... animals." This word-choice must have been some sort of deliberatearchaism.)[/nq]
[nq:1]As to "my" vs. "mine," has anyone mentioned that "mine" was always used before words beginning with a vowel? Mine animals, mine eyes, mine uncle, etc. Kind of like "an" vs. "a".[/nq]
Some have suggested that the nicknames "Nan" for "Anne" and "Ned" for "
[nq:1]As to "my" vs. "mine," has anyone mentioned that "mine" was always used before words beginning with a vowel? Mine animals, mine eyes, mine uncle, etc. Kind of like "an" vs. "a".[/nq]
Some have suggested that the nicknames "Nan" for "Anne" and "Ned" for "
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[nq:1]"thine garden[/nq]
[nq:2]Nope. It's still "Thine accursed cattle got into my garden."[/nq]
[nq:1]It may well have been at one time, but I expect that, in a process similar to what happened when "mine uncle"(1) was replaced with "my uncle," this use of "thine" was replaced with "thy."[/nq]
My (instinctive (1), so very possibly wrong) practice, if I were trying to write like this,
[nq:2]Nope. It's still "Thine accursed cattle got into my garden."[/nq]
[nq:1]It may well have been at one time, but I expect that, in a process similar to what happened when "mine uncle"(1) was replaced with "my uncle," this use of "thine" was replaced with "thy."[/nq]
My (instinctive (1), so very possibly wrong) practice, if I were trying to write like this,
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[nq:1]My (instinctive (1), so very possibly wrong) practice, if I were trying to write like this, would be "thine" if followed by a vowel,[/nq]
Exactly right. From the Canturbury Tales:
thy beddynge, thy brother, thy chief squier, thy compaignye, thy cosyn, thy crueltee, thy desir, thy disposicioun, thy floures, thy gate, thy gentilesse, thy godhede, thy lady, thy large, thy lond, thy lyf,
Exactly right. From the Canturbury Tales:
thy beddynge, thy brother, thy chief squier, thy compaignye, thy cosyn, thy crueltee, thy desir, thy disposicioun, thy floures, thy gate, thy gentilesse, thy godhede, thy lady, thy large, thy lond, thy lyf,
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[nq:2] Thy is the possessive, and thine is a sort ... %*# cattle got into my garden and ate my cabbages.".[/nq]
[nq:1]Nope. It's still "Thine accursed cattle got into my garden." Are there possessives that aren't "attributive"?[/nq]
Check the King Jaes translation of the Bible - the 10 commandments will do for a start:
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy (not thine) neighbo
[nq:1]Nope. It's still "Thine accursed cattle got into my garden." Are there possessives that aren't "attributive"?[/nq]
Check the King Jaes translation of the Bible - the 10 commandments will do for a start:
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy (not thine) neighbo
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