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Usenet Posted 22 years ago
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"Hot dogs" as "sausages" - redux
A coincidence. Just as I finished lunch a hot dog on a bun, a tomato, potato salad, and hot tea. The local PBS affiliate began showing a program called "A Hot Dog Program."
The first words pronounced by the narrator of the program were "Hot dogs. Everybody knows that hot dogs are little sausages served in buns."
The point is not that "hot dog" means both the sausage and the sausage on a bun although that is interesting in itself. The point is that the narrator, following a script written by someone who had presumably researched the subject of hot dogs, claimed that hot dogs are sausages, a claim disputed by some members of these newsgroups.
Just now, the narrator said, "By now lots of folks called the sausages 'hot dogs.'" And after that, he made a reference to a long tradition of selling sausages at sporting events.
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
The first words pronounced by the narrator of the program were "Hot dogs. Everybody knows that hot dogs are little sausages served in buns."
The point is not that "hot dog" means both the sausage and the sausage on a bun although that is interesting in itself. The point is that the narrator, following a script written by someone who had presumably researched the subject of hot dogs, claimed that hot dogs are sausages, a claim disputed by some members of these newsgroups.
Just now, the narrator said, "By now lots of folks called the sausages 'hot dogs.'" And after that, he made a reference to a long tradition of selling sausages at sporting events.
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
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[nq:1]The point is not that "hot dog" means both the sausage and the sausage on a bun although that is interesting ... [/nq] I am astonished to see in MWC10 that a hot dog must include the bun as well as the frankfurter. ".
- [nq:1]The point is not that "hot dog" means both the sausage and the sausage on a bun although that is interesting ...
- [/nq] I am astonished to see in MWC10 that a hot dog must include the bun as well as the frankfurter.
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- I think what we are dealing with here is a question of kyrion onoma, or default.
- Frankfurters are sausages, but "frankfurter" is the default common noun for a sausage that happens to be a frankfurter.
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[nq:1]The point is not that "hot dog" means both the sausage and the sausage on a bun although that is interesting ... the subject of hot dogs, claimed that hot dogs are sausages, a claim disputed by some members of these newsgroups.[/nq]
I am astonished to see in MWC10 that a hot dog must include the bun as well as the frankfurter. I am less astonished to see that a frankfurter is defi
I am astonished to see in MWC10 that a hot dog must include the bun as well as the frankfurter. I am less astonished to see that a frankfurter is defi
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[nq:2]The point is not that "hot dog" means both the ... sausages, a claim disputed by some members of these newsgroups.[/nq]
[nq:1]I am astonished to see in MWC10 that a hot dog must include the bun as well as the frankfurter. I am less astonished to see that a frankfurter is defined as "a cured cooked sausage...". [/nq]
BrE: hot dog = frankfurter + bun
Matti
[nq:1]I am astonished to see in MWC10 that a hot dog must include the bun as well as the frankfurter. I am less astonished to see that a frankfurter is defined as "a cured cooked sausage...". [/nq]
BrE: hot dog = frankfurter + bun
Matti
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[nq:2]I am astonished to see in MWC10 that a hot ... a frankfurter is defined as "a cured cooked sausage...". [/nq]
[nq:1]BrE: hot dog = frankfurter + bun[/nq]
Hence the expression "hot-dog sausage".
btw, do Merkans always "beechwood-smoke" their frankfurters? Here in England it's impossible to find an unsmoked wiener these days. :-(
Adrian
[nq:1]BrE: hot dog = frankfurter + bun[/nq]
Hence the expression "hot-dog sausage".
btw, do Merkans always "beechwood-smoke" their frankfurters? Here in England it's impossible to find an unsmoked wiener these days. :-(
Adrian
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[nq:2]BrE: hot dog = frankfurter + bun[/nq]
[nq:1]Hence the expression "hot-dog sausage". btw, do Merkans always "beechwood-smoke" their frankfurters? Here inEngland it's impossible to find an unsmoked wiener these days. :-([/nq]
Does that mean you have all switched from cigarettes?
[nq:1]Hence the expression "hot-dog sausage". btw, do Merkans always "beechwood-smoke" their frankfurters? Here inEngland it's impossible to find an unsmoked wiener these days. :-([/nq]
Does that mean you have all switched from cigarettes?
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[nq:2]The point is not that "hot dog" means both the ... sausages, a claim disputed by some members of these newsgroups.[/nq]
[nq:1]I am astonished to see in MWC10 that a hot dog must include the bun as well as the frankfurter. I am less astonished to see that a frankfurter is defined as "a cured cooked sausage...".[/nq]
I wonder if you correctly interpreted the meaning. The *Merria
[nq:1]I am astonished to see in MWC10 that a hot dog must include the bun as well as the frankfurter. I am less astonished to see that a frankfurter is defined as "a cured cooked sausage...".[/nq]
I wonder if you correctly interpreted the meaning. The *Merria
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[nq:1]If someone were to say to me, "When I was at the supermarket today, Ibought a hot dog," I would ... hotdog," I would assume that he had bought a package of the sausages in the meat section of the supermarket.[/nq]
Er...what? Is there a difference in intontation we're supposed to catch on to here?
Or did you mean "some hotdogs" in the 2nd example?
Er...what? Is there a difference in intontation we're supposed to catch on to here?
Or did you mean "some hotdogs" in the 2nd example?
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[nq:1]The point is not that "hot dog" means both the sausage and the sausage ona bun although that is interesting in ... researched the subject of hot dogs, claimed that hot dogs are sausages, a claim disputedby some members of these newsgroups.[/nq]
Which brings to mind the old saying, "if it walks like a duck..."
Hot Dogs, Weiners & Frankfurters
Part 1: Where did the terms come
Which brings to mind the old saying, "if it walks like a duck..."
Hot Dogs, Weiners & Frankfurters
Part 1: Where did the terms come
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No difference in intonation is involved. I intended to write "If he were to say 'When I was at the supermarket today, I bought hot dogs,' I would assume that he had bought a package of the sausages in the meat section of the supermarket." I expect that the error occurred because I copied and pasted the sentence, but then forgot to change "a hot dog" to "hot dogs."
Raymond S. Wise
Minn
Raymond S. Wise
Minn
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[nq:2]The point is not that "hot dog" means both the sausage and the sausageon[/nq]
[nq:1]by[/nq]
[nq:2]some members of these newsgroups.[/nq]
[nq:1]Which brings to mind the old saying, "if it walks like a duck..." Hot Dogs, Weiners & Frankfurters Part 1: ... fromsigns on Coney Island. The term actually first appeared in print in the Oxford English Dictionary in 1900.
[nq:2]The point is not that "hot dog" means both the sausage and the sausageon[/nq]
[nq:1]by[/nq]
[nq:2]some members of these newsgroups.[/nq]
[nq:1]Which brings to mind the old saying, "if it walks like a duck..." Hot Dogs, Weiners & Frankfurters Part 1: ... fromsigns on Coney Island. The term actually first appeared in print in the Oxford English Dictionary in 1900.
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If someone told me he'd bought "a hot dog" at the supermarket, I'd have to ask for a clarification, because I don't know of supermarkets that sell ready-to-eat hot dogs (though I don't doubt they exist somewhere).
But yes, it would be unexceptional to hear someone speak of "a hot dog on a bun" even though hot dog vendors needn't bother to mention "bun included", because it is assumed. Unless I
But yes, it would be unexceptional to hear someone speak of "a hot dog on a bun" even though hot dog vendors needn't bother to mention "bun included", because it is assumed. Unless I
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