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Fun2bwid Posted 17 years ago
Grammar
Help with symantic meanings
Im new here and looking at lots of answered questions, mine could be accounted for as well
my question bears on symatic meanings of some clause:
1. I consider him to be excellent in grammar
2. I consider that he is excellen in grammar
3.I consider him as excellent in grammar
now,some of the many grammar books i looked into for answers regard the first nd second (to be?) as the same. The last one holds the same fact to me. the question is am i getting the right anaylsis?as i am not a native american, this really gives me a stop when reading and i fall into a habit of trying to interchage them.thus i get held back so long i lose the interest in reading any articles with these sentences. i appreciate anybody helpng out. thanks a bunch!
my question bears on symatic meanings of some clause:
1. I consider him to be excellent in grammar
2. I consider that he is excellen in grammar
3.I consider him as excellent in grammar
now,some of the many grammar books i looked into for answers regard the first nd second (to be?) as the same. The last one holds the same fact to me. the question is am i getting the right anaylsis?as i am not a native american, this really gives me a stop when reading and i fall into a habit of trying to interchage them.thus i get held back so long i lose the interest in reading any articles with these sentences. i appreciate anybody helpng out. thanks a bunch!
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The grammar of the verb consider allows an adjective or noun immediately after the direct object: I consider him [excellent / intelligent / a hero / the best person for the job]. The insertion of to be is optional. I consider him to be [excellent / intelligent / a hero / the best person for the job].
- The grammar of the verb consider allows an adjective or noun immediately after the direct object: I consider him [excellent / intelligent / a hero / the best person for the job].
- The insertion of to be is optional.
- I consider him to be [excellent / intelligent / a hero / the best person for the job].
- As far as I know, the use of as instead of to be is not frequent with nouns, and it seems to me that it is not used at all with adjectives.
- I personally don't use as with consider in that meaning.
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The grammar of the verb consider allows an adjective or noun immediately after the direct object:
I consider him [excellent / intelligent / a hero / the best person for the job].
The insertion of to be is optional.
I consider him to be [excellent / intelligent / a hero / the best person for the job].
As far as I know, the use of a
I consider him [excellent / intelligent / a hero / the best person for the job].
The insertion of to be is optional.
I consider him to be [excellent / intelligent / a hero / the best person for the job].
As far as I know, the use of a
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thanks for the quick response. havng read what u said of and suggesed for "the consider structures", i doubted the grammar book bin reading lately. in contrast to ur opinion, that is possible with consider, at leat according to this grammar book by Michael SWAN titled practical english usage. in his explaination, that used after consider is somewhat informal while object+to be+noun/adjective is f
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Hi,
When I read your original post, it seems to me that you understand the writer's intended meaning pretty well, so I find myself wondering why you don't just continue reading.
When I read your original post, it seems to me that you understand the writer's intended meaning pretty well, so I find myself wondering why you don't just continue reading.
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tnx.. i appreciate the advice. you see i jst really wanted to know if what registers in my head as the meaning of all these to be and as sentences is not different from what so in a native speaker, you know semantic difference stuff. tnx again
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