" He likes to go shopping as much as me."

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When I study English Dialogue, I found some ungrammatical sentence.

" He likes to go shopping as much as me."
I think the following sentence is right .
" He likes to go shopping as much as I do"
Do Americans usually use the upper sentence in dialogue??

If do, what else sentences are there such as " as much as me " ???

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[nq:1]When I study English Dialogue, I found some ungrammatical sentence. " He likes to go shopping as much as me."[/nq]
This is idiomatic, but the sense is clear. Given a choice between going shopping and you, he would be stymied.
[nq:1]I think the following sentence is right . " He likes to go shopping as much as I do"[/nq]
That's it.
[nq:1]Do Americans usually use the upper sentence in dialogue??[/nq]
Probably - I'm not American so I can't say.
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[nq:1]When I study English Dialogue, I found some ungrammatical sentence. " He likes to go shopping as much as me." ... " He likes to go shopping as much as I do" Do Americans usually use the upper sentence in dialogue??[/nq]
This one doesn't.

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As an American, the prepositional "as" is fairly common.

"He likes to go shopping as much as I" is also correct but sounds stilted.

An educated American would say "I do."

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[nq:1]When I study English Dialogue, I found some ungrammatical sentence. " He likes to go shopping as much as me." [/nq]
Perfect. It means he likes to go shopping. He also likes me. He like both things equally.
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[nq:2]When I study English Dialogue, I found some ungrammatical sentence. " He likes to go shopping as much as me."[/nq]
[nq:1]This is idiomatic, but the sense is clear.[/nq]
What is that supposed to mean? Do you know what "idiomatic" means? "This is the normal way to phrase this, but I understand it"? You don't normally understand English?
[nq:1]Given a choice between going shopping and you, he would be stymied.[/nq]
Nonsense. No one would understand it to mean that. That meaning would have to phrased as: "He likes going shopping as much as he likes me". Even those who, like you, maintain that the grammar of "he likes to go shopping as much as me" forces the meaning "he likes going shopping as much as he likes me" would normally take the former sentence to be a 'mistake' for "He likes to go shopping as much as I do".
[nq:2]I think the following sentence is right . " He likes to go shopping as much as I do"[/nq]
[nq:1]That's it.[/nq]
Yes, this is much better than "...as much as I.".
[nq:2]Do Americans usually use the upper sentence in dialogue??[/nq]
Either "...as much as me." or "...as much as I do.".
[nq:1]Probably - I'm not American so I can't say.[/nq]
But you did.

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[nq:2]Given a choice between going shopping and you, he would be stymied.[/nq]
[nq:1]Nonsense. No one would understand it to mean that.[/nq]
I think his explanation was meant to apply to the concept in general. While listeners are extremely unlikely to misunderstand the intent of that sentence, that's not necessarily true in general. If he had said "He likes Mary as much as me," then it would have been far less clear. If he said that he likes cheese as much as chocolate, it would be clear to most listeners that he did not intend to say that he likes cheese as much as chocolate likes cheese.
Finally, while nobody is likely to understand it in that way, it is what the statement means if one assumes that it's grammatically correct. He never said that it's a valid assumption.
[nq:2]That's it.[/nq]
[nq:1]Yes, this is much better than "...as much as I.".[/nq]
Agreed. While the above would constitute a perfectly valid elliptical phrase, it sounds stilted in ordinary conversation. Also, those who don't understand grammar would not be surprised by "as much as I do," while they might assume that "as much as I" is an error. The latter point might not be a reason to avoid it, but the former is. And anything that adds clarity to speech is positive.
People of my mother's generation will continue to use "as much as I," but it is becoming increasingly uncommon.
[nq:1]Either "...as much as me." or "...as much as I do.".[/nq]
[nq:2]Probably - I'm not American so I can't say.[/nq]
[nq:1]But you did.[/nq]
No, he said that it is probable, but he is not sure. An educated person familiar with American culture could make such an assumption based on films and television, but could not do so based on experience if he is not a regular visitor to the US. Therefore, it's reasonable to say that it's probable, but he cannot say with certainty.

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[nq:1]"He likes to go shopping as much as I" is also correct but sounds stilted. An educated American would say "I do."[/nq]
I agree with the first point, but the second one implies that a person who uses the phrase in the first example is uneducated. When I was in high school, (US school for 15-18 year old students) I was taught the stilted form. It was not what I taught my children.
Some contemporary grammar books when I was young would have explained that the non-elliptical sentence would have been "He likes to go shopping as much as I like to go shopping." The preferred alternative would have been the stilted one.
Both forms mentioned above are used by educated Americans. The latter is preferable and is far more common among those who are middle aged or younger.

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