He and I ? He and me?

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I am confused, please help me!Examples:1.-He and I baked a cake for our grandmother's birthday.Who baked the cake? -He and I or He and me2.- Who are the guys in the picture?He and I or He and me?

Mr Wordy · Accepted Answer

In both cases "He and I" is formally correct. "Me and him" is a common and widely tolerated conversational form that may, especially for #2, seem less pedantic. Similarly for "Him and me", though that seems slightly less natural to me. "He and me" is an odd and unidiomatic mixture.

Yankee · Answer

gabbnoniWho baked the cake?
-He and I or He and me
2.- Who are the guys in the picture?
He and I or He and me?

Just an observation:

When asking those questions, the response would more likely use the person's name or some other noun that is more specific than just 'he'. The pronoun 'he' is normally used in place of a noun that has already been referred to. So, if you had not already been talking about the other person, you could not easily use 'he' in the responses for the questions you posted.

1.
Q: Who baked the cake?
A: John and I.
(Informal: Me and John.)

2.
Q: Who are the guys in the picture?
A: My brother and I.
(Informal: Me and my brother.)

Keepsmiling · Answer

Hello Gaby.
1."He and I " is the formal form of the conversation as we follow the rule of order of using ' second person(you ) then third person (singular like he,she,naun) and then first person( I and we). Moreover we would use "I" in the "He and I" case when we are briefly talking about that particular thing for which "he and I " has been used.
Let me tell you from example:--
(A)when someone ask to you that 'did Richard and you went to India?"
If you don't want to go into the depth of detail about that in that condition you would say like

"He and me"
If you want to be formal or want to add some information or either of both then in that condition
you will certainly say like
"He and I went there or He and I went to India"(do remember order of person to use--formal
form of order is 2nd person then 3rd person and finally 1st person.

This rule follows in all form of these sentences where we are using "you and they" or 'You and we" or "He and they' or in simple language 'persons who are added by AND'.

2.Same rule for the second question.
for simply replying to question without any addition of information you can say
" He and me "
but if you want to add something or reply with the same text as it was asked then reply like
" He and I are the guys in the picture"

I hope you might have understood.
Even if you have any other problem then do contact me again.
Bye and take good care of yourself
With Regards
Mahesh(keepsmiling)

Gabbnoni · Answer

Thanks Wordy!!!!

Gabbnoni · Answer

Yankee that's was so helpful!

Thank you!

Gabbnoni · Answer

Thanks

Dimsumexpress · Answer

Hi Mahesh,
I am sorry, maybe it's me. I am completely lost with your explanation in paragrph 1. This is my understanding. "He and I" is the same as the collective pronoun, " We ". If " he " refers to Paul, then we are correct in saying " Paul and I went to India last year..", because " Paul and I " together formed a collective subject, " we ". Now we've established the subject case, let's take a look at the "objective case". John is planning a picnic and has invited [Paul and I]. Here " I " is incorrect because " I " cannot be used in the objective case.

keepsmilingLet me tell you from example:--
(A)when someone asks to you that 'did Richard and you ~~went~~ go to India?"

keepsmiling"He and I went there or He and I went to India"(do remember order of person to use--formal
form of order is 2nd person then 3rd person and finally 1st person.

Can you educate me on what you meant by "order of person?".

keepsmiling" He and I are the guys in the picture"

This is an interesting construction! Would you consider an alternative: " The guys in the picture are Paul and me "?

Just my thoughts.

Keepsmiling · Answer

Hello dimsumexpress
Thanks for noticing my typing mistake in (A). I tried to put either 'DID' or 'WENT' but unfortunately both were written at the same time and it was marely typing mistake.Even it could have been rectified but I did not put my second look to my texts once I wrote them.

About your request to put some light to the 'ORDER OF PERSON' is that

English in common use today has seven personal pronouns:
first-person singular (I)
first-person plural (we)
second-person singular and plural (you)
third-person singular human or animate male (he)
third-person singular human or animate female (she)
third-person singular inanimate (it)
third-person plural (they)

I meant to the order of person is that
when we use two personal pronous together,joined by "AND", in that case we follow the rule of order of personal pronous like
(1)second ,third, and first personal prounoun(if three pronous are there)
e.g
You,he and I went to America.
we can't say the same sentence like:- I,he and you went to America.

(2)second and first personal pronoun(if only two pronouns are there)
e.g
You and I went to America(second personal pronoun first then first personal pronoun)
We can't say the same sentence like :-I and you went to America.(can't place first personal pronoun first then second personal pronoun)

(3)third and first personal pronoun(if only two pronouns are there)
e.g
She and I went to America(third personal pronoun first then first personal pronoun)
We can't say like :- 'I and she went to America" (can't place first personal pronoun first then third personal pronoun).

(4)second and third personal pronoun(if only two pronouns are there)
e.g
You and She went to America( second personal pronoun first then third personal pronoun)
We can't say the same sentence like :- 'she and you went to America( can't place third personal pronoun first and then second personal pronoun)

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About your third question
The manner in which the question is asked, we reply in the same manner like
"who are the guys in the picture?
There is nothing wrong in replying like
You and she are the guys in the picture.
Same thing can be pointed like you have said
the guys in the picture are you and she.

So there was nothing wrong in my answer.

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If you find any spelling mistake I am regretting for that in advance because I don't have time to check spelling as I don't have time and my typing speed is fast so mistakes are to be made while typing speedly.

Dimsumexpress · Answer

keepsmilingAbout your third question
The manner in which the question is asked, we reply in the same manner like
"who are the guys in the picture?
There is nothing wrong in replying like
You and she are the guys in the picture.
Same thing can be pointed like you have said
the guys in the picture are you and she.

I tried to follow your last thread and actually agreed with some of your entries about the 7 pronouns. That's a new one me! That's said, I may still have to disagree with you. In the sentence: " the guys in the picture are you and she.", " you and she " are objectives, and "she" is a subjective pronoun and cannot be used as object. I am pretty certain " her" is the correct answer.

Keepsmiling · Answer

Question was not like that
whose faces are there in the picture?
so that you could reply 'there are faces of yours and hers in the picture.

" the guys in the picture are you and she." is totally different from using her instead of she

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