Have to/must.

Hi,
If you read a sign that says 'Passengers must remain seated until the bus has stopped', in what sense would you consider that generally subjective?

Best wishes, Clive

Because it expresses the speaker's authority. The deontic source is the speaker.

Hi,
Do you agree that, in their obligative readings, "must" is generally subjective while "have to" is always subjective?

If you read a sign that says 'Passengers must remain seated until the bus has stopped', in what sense would you consider that generally subjective?

Because it expresses the speaker's authority. The deontic source is the speaker.

But

CliveHi,


But if 'subjective' is defined as 'expressing the speaker's authority', would you say that 'I have to do my homework tonight' is subjective?

Clive

In my variety that would be objective - i.e. external to the speaker. It would express either the authority of another or the constraint of circumstances. How about in you

Hi,
Yes. So that would mean the answer to the original question is 'No', wouldn't it?

Clive

CliveHi,
Yes. So that would mean the answer to the original question is 'No', wouldn't it?

Clive

Sorry, very tired when posting thread post.

This is what i meant:

Do you agree that, in their obligative readings, "must" is generally subjective while "have to" is always objective?

Hi,
Oh, I see.

In that case I'd agree, very generally speaking.

Clive

CliveHi,
Oh, I see.

In that case I'd agree, very generally speaking.

Clive

Why very generally speaking?

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There is no need to post anonymously. You have at least three accounts still operative; any of which you are free to use.

In the meantime, cf.



24 pages of "have to" vs "must".

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