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Debpriya De Posted 16 years ago
Grammar

Have seen play

"He is the best footballer I have seen play."

"Whom did you see play ?"
Are these sentences correct ?
They don't seem correct, but "I have seen him play" and "I saw him play" are correct.
So why can't these be correct ?
  

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They both seem ok to me.

  • They both seem ok to me.
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They both seem ok to me.
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The "whom" is technically correct, but rarely used in that position. These days, "whom" shows up only immediately after prepositions in most cases, so it's rarely used as a direct object.

Again, it's correct, but will be seen by many as "overly" correct.
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But isn't there a rule that says that there can be no passive form of bare infinitives.
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Debpriya DeBut isn't there a rule that says that there can be no passive form of bare infinitives.
That would be news to me.

Could you explain that more?
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"They have made him return the money."
The passive of this would be "He has been made to return the money."
The passive form does not use a bare infinitive.
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Debpriya DeThe passive form does not use a bare infinitive.
Not with the verb to make, but that doesn't make it universally true.

This is the man she she should have chosen.
The cake I watched her make was delicious.
The song you heard me play was by Barber.
And your original example.

All show this rule is not
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Debpriya De"They have made him return the money."The passive of this would be "He has been made to return the money."The passive form does not use a bare infinitive.
I think you're talking about pulling the person or the thing out of the active version to make the subject of a passive sentence. In either case, you can get some really bad sentences. Even the
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Debpriya De"He is the best footballer I have seen play."
"Whom did you see play ?"
Here are diagrams to show where the gaps are.

He is the best footballer I have seen ____ play. (I have seen him play.)
Whom did you see ____ play? (You did see whom play?)

Neither structure is passive, so I don't know how the thread got
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Debpriya DeOkay, I get it now.
Good, because I'm still confused! Emotion: big smile

CJ

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