Have had done

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Hi, everybody!!"have had PP".   Is this construction grammatical?Google gives out 107,000,000 hits with "have had done", which leads me to believe this should be being widely used among native speakers. And below are from COCA.But I have never met with this kind of construction in any grammar books, even those written by native speaker grammarians.What is going on, here?*** *** ***Well, the majority of them are between 14 and 16. However, we see now coming out of there 15-year-olds with three children, which means that they had to have had been impregnated first when they were 11.Date2006 (20060509)Title_Abrams20060509SourceMSNBC_AbramsExactly. That means that it was a minimal threat. Actually, that was my position, to run-the forensic team in New Jersey for the FBI. And if there was any potential threat of either a device or large amounts of evidence, those teams would have had been sent in to process the scene.Date2006 (20060623)TitleLatest on Men Arrested in Alleged Terror Plot in Miami and Chicago; Latest Violence in IraqSourceCNN_AMMr. Garcetti, the- you say that this is an underreported crime, but the experience of many women who have had- been abused, is that if they prosecute, that they are likely to be abused even more, and that the- that they do not get any respite at all from the criminal justice system.Date1994 (19940619)TitleABC_Brinkley / 19940619SourceABC_Brinkley

Pructus · Accepted Answer

I feel like it is a combination of  "have done" and "had done", meaning "have done" or "had done"

AlpheccaStars · Answer

which means that they had to have had been impregnated first when they were 11.

This one should read:

which means that they had to have been impregnated first when they were 11.

(perfect infinitive, passive voice, have)

those teams would have had been sent in to process the scene.

This one should read:

those teams would have been sent in to process the scene.

(present perfect tense, passive voice - send)

but the experience of many women who have had- been abused,

This one is a hesitation in speech - the speaker changed the tense from present perfect to past perfect, passive voice; abuse. (It should read: who had been abused)

Pructus · Answer

Thanks a lot, AlpheccaStars!!

This website: http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=yes_usa&logNo=110112120060

here, they try to justify the construction, "He seemed to have had disappeared".

And below are what I found in Google. "have had done" shows about 108,000,000 examples.

Definitely it seems to be an ungrammatical construction, but there are too many examples.....

he also admits to have had done this in the past.

What would you have had done differently on your wedding day?

If you are concerned about tests you may have had done, call the Royal Alexandra Hospital at 1-866-301-2668.

I have had done a lot of major cosmetic and general dentistry work done by Dr. Zimmer and am very pleased with the results of all the work.

“Had we been interested in conspiring against the government, we should have had done it three years ago,” he said.

CalifJim · Answer

Pructus,

LOL! Thank you so much for those examples!

I still have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard!

Of course they're all wrong, but they are funny!

Or, for some reason, they just hit me that way.

Jim

You are getting a lot of Google hits because there is a grammatical form of 'have had done' where the first 'have' is causative 'have'. Here are some ways causative 'have' can work.

- I had a cake made for them.

- What? What did you have made for them?

- A cake. And I had the cake served to them on silver plates!

- What did you have done for them?

- I had a cake served to them.

- What have you had done to your teeth? They look different.

- I have had my teeth whitened. That's what I have had done.

- In that situation I didn't know what to have done for them. What would you have had done for them?

There are a few of your examples from Google that can be interpreted with causative 'have':

What would you have had done differently on your wedding day? (What would you have had other people do differently ...?)

If you are concerned about tests you may have had done, (tests that you had others do / arranged for others to do)

The next one has 'done' twice. Only the second 'done' should be there. The writer was distracted, it seems.

I have had ~~done~~ a lot of major cosmetic and general dentistry work done by Zimmer ... (I have had Zimmer do this work.)

The last example in that group is just plain wrong.

CJ

Pructus · Answer

WooSShee... ( A Korean word right for this kind of situation. I can't seem to find a good word for this in English).

Oh, CJ... You made me blush....

You knocked me down again, after the "I wish~~" construction.

By the way....

This website: http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=yes_usa&logNo=110112120060

Here, they try to justify this construction of "He seemed to have had disappeared", arguing that it is different from "He seemed to have disappeared".

Are they simply wrong?

CalifJim · Answer

they try to justify this construction of "He seemed to have had disappeared", arguing that it is different from "He seemed to have disappeared".

Are they simply wrong?

I'm afraid so. Simply wrong.

seemed to have had disappeared is not a possible combination in English. I cannot think of any way at all to make sense of it. Maybe they are confusing this incorrect construction with another construction that is similar but correct. I don't know what it could be.

CJ

WooSShee... Is this anything like "Holy Moly!" ? (expression of extreme surprise, like "I can't believe it!")

CJ

Pructus · Answer

WooShee... it means that, "I can't believe I made such a stupid mistake", or "I should have known better".

It can also be used in some other situations.

Any way, what is the English counterpart in English for Wooshee?

CalifJim · Answer

Wooshee in English?

I don't have a good answer for you. Maybe Doh! as said by Homer Simpson, the animated cartoon character?

Maybe just Oops!

CJ

Pructus · Answer

Doh!  sounds very good and I guess it would be understandable to native speakers....

Anonymous · Answer

Hello,
talking about have had done what would you say of this sentence found in a English grammar book.
Heidi Montang is probably more famous for the plastic surgery that she has had carried out than for her tv carrer.
Is this a causative have? Is this a passive? I really cant get it. Is there anyone to help me please.

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