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Hello everybody, Gone is the holiday and we are in for a new school year again. I am designing a grammar exercise for my students but doubts are invading me.So here's something to rack your brain with:
a)I'd rather COME tomorrow (speaker's own action, only one subject, hence "bare infinitive") RIGHT/WRONG ?? b)I'd rather he CAME tomorrow (not the speaker's own action, 2 subjects, hence the use of "unreal past" or "modal preterite") RIGHT/WRONG ?? c)I'd rather HIM TO COME to morrow. CORRECT / INCORRECT ?? d) I'd rather HIM COMING tomorrow.CORRECT / INCORRECT ??
I just wonder if sentences "b", "c" and "d" can be alternatively used to mean about the same thing. I doubt that sentences "c" and "d" may be grammatically correct. Can anyone give a hand? Thanks Patrick Lecordier
-- "I don't need time. What I need is a deadline." Duke Ellington Websites:( http://www.erp.oissel.onac.org/anglais/ ) ( http://perso.wanadoo.fr/patrick.lecordier/ )
a)I'd rather COME tomorrow (speaker's own action, only one subject, hence "bare infinitive") RIGHT/WRONG ?? b)I'd rather he CAME tomorrow (not the speaker's own action, 2 subjects, hence the use of "unreal past" or "modal preterite") RIGHT/WRONG ?? c)I'd rather HIM TO COME to morrow. CORRECT / INCORRECT ?? d) I'd rather HIM COMING tomorrow.CORRECT / INCORRECT ??
I just wonder if sentences "b", "c" and "d" can be alternatively used to mean about the same thing. I doubt that sentences "c" and "d" may be grammatically correct. Can anyone give a hand? Thanks Patrick Lecordier
-- "I don't need time. What I need is a deadline." Duke Ellington Websites:( http://www.erp.oissel.onac.org/anglais/ ) ( http://perso.wanadoo.fr/patrick.lecordier/ )
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[nq:1]Hello everybody, Gone is the holiday and we are in for a new school year again. I am designing a ... about the same thing.
- [nq:1]Hello everybody, Gone is the holiday and we are in for a new school year again.
- I am designing a ...
- about the same thing.
- I doubt that sentences "c" and "d" may be grammatically correct.
- [/nq] c) and d) are incorrect and not used.
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[nq:1]Hello everybody, Gone is the holiday and we are in for a new school year again. I am designing a ... about the same thing. I doubt that sentences "c" and "d" may be grammatically correct. Can anyone give a hand?[/nq]
c) and d) are incorrect and not used. The present subjunctive is used by some speakers ("I'd rather he come..."), as is the simple present ("I'd rather he comes..."), and t
c) and d) are incorrect and not used. The present subjunctive is used by some speakers ("I'd rather he come..."), as is the simple present ("I'd rather he comes..."), and t
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[nq:2]Hello everybody, Gone is the holiday and we are in ... "d" may be grammatically correct. Can anyone give a hand?[/nq]
[nq:1]c) and d) are incorrect and not used.[/nq]
Agreed.
[nq:1]The present subjunctive is used by some speakers ("I'd rather he come..."),[/nq]
Agreed.
[nq:1]as is the simple present ("I'd rather he comes..."),[/nq]
I've never heard this asnd would re
[nq:1]c) and d) are incorrect and not used.[/nq]
Agreed.
[nq:1]The present subjunctive is used by some speakers ("I'd rather he come..."),[/nq]
Agreed.
[nq:1]as is the simple present ("I'd rather he comes..."),[/nq]
I've never heard this asnd would re
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[nq:2] c) and d) are incorrect and not used.[/nq]
[nq:1]Agreed.[/nq]
[nq:2]The present subjunctive is used by some speakers ("I'd rather he come..."),[/nq]
[nq:1]Agreed.[/nq]
[nq:2]as is the simple present ("I'd rather he comes..."),[/nq]
[nq:1]I've never heard this asnd would regard it as incorrect.[/nq]
[nq:2]and the difficult-to-defend "I'd rather him come..." is also h
[nq:1]Agreed.[/nq]
[nq:2]The present subjunctive is used by some speakers ("I'd rather he come..."),[/nq]
[nq:1]Agreed.[/nq]
[nq:2]as is the simple present ("I'd rather he comes..."),[/nq]
[nq:1]I've never heard this asnd would regard it as incorrect.[/nq]
[nq:2]and the difficult-to-defend "I'd rather him come..." is also h
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in message }> news:bl4hsp$ht$(Email Removed)... }>>c)I'd rather HIM TO COME to morrow. CORRECT / INCORRECT ?? }>>d) I'd rather HIM COMING tomorrow.CORRECT / INCORRECT ??
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}> as is the simple present ("I'd }> rather he comes..."), } }I've never heard this asnd would regard it as incorrect.
I have heard and used it in many circumstances, usually
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}> as is the simple present ("I'd }> rather he comes..."), } }I've never heard this asnd would regard it as incorrect.
I have heard and used it in many circumstances, usually
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[nq:1]Hello everybody, Gone is the holiday and we are in for a new school year again. I am designing a grammar exercise for my students but doubts are invading me.So here's something to rack your brain with:[/nq]
Okay, first point. I assume by the subject of the post you may believe that you may believe that "I'd" in this case is a shortening of "I had", but the examples you list indicate rat
Okay, first point. I assume by the subject of the post you may believe that you may believe that "I'd" in this case is a shortening of "I had", but the examples you list indicate rat
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[nq:1] in message }> news:bl4hsp$ht$(Email Removed)... }>>c)I'd rather HIM TO COME to morrow. CORRECT / INCORRECT ?? }>>d) I'd rather ... appointments for people, usually to some group meeting. "I would rather he comes along on a Tuesday or Friday morning"[/nq]
I would have to agree- but perhaps because I lived in London for 15 years. The only alternative to your example that s
I would have to agree- but perhaps because I lived in London for 15 years. The only alternative to your example that s
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in message }> }> news:bl4hsp$ht$(Email Removed)... }> }>>c)I'd rather HIM TO COME to morrow. CORRECT / INCORRECT ?? }> }>>d) I'd rather HIM COMING tomorrow.CORRECT / INCORRECT ?? }> }> (...) }> }> }> as is the simple present ("I'd }> }> rather he comes..."), }> } }> }I've never heard this asnd would regard it as incorrect. }> }> I have hear
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[nq:1]You are of course correct, in the context I was thinking of the subject did not have a choice whether ... rather than an invitation. }Hmm, that's interesting. Is there a shift towards using the subjunctiveto }denote more than hypothesis??? Yes.[/nq]
Ooh, I'll award myself a silver star!
[nq:1]}I'm no expert on prescriptive rules but can say as an L1 speaker that "I }would rather he
Ooh, I'll award myself a silver star!
[nq:1]}I'm no expert on prescriptive rules but can say as an L1 speaker that "I }would rather he
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[nq:2]Hello everybody, Gone is the holiday and we are in ... are invading me.So here's something to rack your brain with:[/nq]
[nq:1]Okay, first point. I assume by the subject of the post you may believe that you may believe that "I'd" ... had rather do somthing" may be possible, but it does sound about 100 years old if it ever was used.[/nq]
[nq:2]a)I'd rather COME tomorrow (speaker's ow
[nq:1]Okay, first point. I assume by the subject of the post you may believe that you may believe that "I'd" ... had rather do somthing" may be possible, but it does sound about 100 years old if it ever was used.[/nq]
[nq:2]a)I'd rather COME tomorrow (speaker's ow
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[nq:2] Okay, first point. I assume by the subject of ... him" You could say: I'd rather have him coming tomorrow"[/nq]
[nq:1]"I'd rather have him come tomorrow". Your example might be possible, but I think it means something different from the sentence posted by the OP. Regards, Einde O'Callaghan[/nq]
Most definitely does bear no relationship to the semantics of example A- well giv
[nq:1]"I'd rather have him come tomorrow". Your example might be possible, but I think it means something different from the sentence posted by the OP. Regards, Einde O'Callaghan[/nq]
Most definitely does bear no relationship to the semantics of example A- well giv
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