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Rotter Posted 20 years ago
Grammar
Had made or made
History repeated itself only to leave the country in much worse condition than before. Thus, the constitutional head of the state, i.e., the King Gyanendra, had no choice but to assume the position of the head of the government too.
And he did so in Feb. 2005 and included his old friends, faithfuls or monarchists in the government with the hope that they will somehow be able to make the 1990 constitution functional again through the election of local and central government bodies.
But by then, the agitating parties had made considerable progress in defaming the king, misguiding the international community on the king's actions and intentions, and getting stronger to make impossible for any government other than their own to rule.
Somehow, they succeeded in convincing the world that taking part in the election of representatives of the people for different levels of the government is against the democratic norms in case of Nepal.
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By then agitating parties had made considerable progress in defending the king...
Is it necessary to write 'had made' in the above?
Would you simply write '
By then agitating parties made considerable progress in defending the king...' ?
I would like to read your comments.
And he did so in Feb. 2005 and included his old friends, faithfuls or monarchists in the government with the hope that they will somehow be able to make the 1990 constitution functional again through the election of local and central government bodies.
But by then, the agitating parties had made considerable progress in defaming the king, misguiding the international community on the king's actions and intentions, and getting stronger to make impossible for any government other than their own to rule.
Somehow, they succeeded in convincing the world that taking part in the election of representatives of the people for different levels of the government is against the democratic norms in case of Nepal.
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By then agitating parties had made considerable progress in defending the king...
Is it necessary to write 'had made' in the above?
Would you simply write '
By then agitating parties made considerable progress in defending the king...' ?
I would like to read your comments.
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I would write «had made», because by that moment they had already made considerable progress. That is, at that moment that was already a past action, so, since the action is preceding to a past moment, Past Perfect should be used.
- I would write «had made», because by that moment they had already made considerable progress.
- That is, at that moment that was already a past action, so, since the action is preceding to a past moment, Past Perfect should be used.
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I would write «had made», because by that moment they had already made considerable progress. That is, at that moment that was already a past action, so, since the action is preceding to a past moment, Past Perfect should be used.
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yes, had made
also because it's a main sentence, not a subordinate
the tenses are stricter in the mains
while in the coordinates you're easier allowed to use tense simplification
also because it's a main sentence, not a subordinate
the tenses are stricter in the mains
while in the coordinates you're easier allowed to use tense simplification
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Thanks everybody for the replies.
I am sorry to say I can't take in your point.
I clearly understands that it was a past event.
I am sorry to say I can't take in your point.
I clearly understands that it was a past event.
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«I clearly understands that it was a past event.»
No that it's only a past event, but also an event which WAS in the past at some past moment. That is, at that moment you would say «...parties have made... progress...».
Since that moment is mentioned, the writer must show the action was already finished at that moment. Otherwise, to the reader it won't be clear whether the parti
No that it's only a past event, but also an event which WAS in the past at some past moment. That is, at that moment you would say «...parties have made... progress...».
Since that moment is mentioned, the writer must show the action was already finished at that moment. Otherwise, to the reader it won't be clear whether the parti
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Thanks Ant_222 for the reply.
You see I have no difficulty in understanding the future perfect tense.
Let us say an event of training at the gym. [ As a matter of fact I just came home after training. I trained 90 minutes today.]
I started training at 16.30pm.
At that time, I could say the following:
I will have finished training at
You see I have no difficulty in understanding the future perfect tense.
Let us say an event of training at the gym. [ As a matter of fact I just came home after training. I trained 90 minutes today.]
I started training at 16.30pm.
At that time, I could say the following:
I will have finished training at
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«You see I have no difficulty in understanding the future perfect tense.»
I wanted to show you the analogy between all the perfect tenses.
«I will have finished training at about 18.00pm.»
Hmm, I'd say it using future simple...
«When it comes to the past perfect, the underlying facts are murky. I am struggling to understand the past perfect.»
Try askin
I wanted to show you the analogy between all the perfect tenses.
«I will have finished training at about 18.00pm.»
Hmm, I'd say it using future simple...
«When it comes to the past perfect, the underlying facts are murky. I am struggling to understand the past perfect.»
Try askin
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Timeline:
distant past event a happened event b happened present time
Event a: packing your bag to go to the gym
Event b: going to the gym
Okay, look at the timeline. You start talking about event b, which is in the past. I went to the gym. But while talking about b, you want to say something about event a, which was even further
distant past event a happened event b happened present time
Event a: packing your bag to go to the gym
Event b: going to the gym
Okay, look at the timeline. You start talking about event b, which is in the past. I went to the gym. But while talking about b, you want to say something about event a, which was even further
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«I will have finished training at about 18.00pm.»
Hmm, I'd say it using future simple...
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No doubt, you could say it in future simple. I just wrote an example.
I will post more and more on this topic. I have poste
Hmm, I'd say it using future simple...
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No doubt, you could say it in future simple. I just wrote an example.
I will post more and more on this topic. I have poste
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It was an excellent example. I will print it out.
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The gym where I train is very strict about the pass. If you forgot the pass at home, you must show the ID card. Using the ID card too, they can trace whether I have paid the mon
It was an excellent example. I will print it out.
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The gym where I train is very strict about the pass. If you forgot the pass at home, you must show the ID card. Using the ID card too, they can trace whether I have paid the mon
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