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Steve S. Posted 18 years ago
Grammar

Grammar question: "extracting some phrase out of a coordinate structure"

0 I received this question from a Japanese professor that I am having trouble answering:01blockquote
00I am working on the issue of extracting some phrase out of a coordinate structure of the form "[A and B]".  As you know, it is generally not allowed to do so.  For example, "*Which boy did you meet [Susan and --]?  (as a response to "I met Susan and a boy ") is unacceptable. Or "*This is the senator that ." is unacceptable.  But exceptionally, it is possible to do so, as in the case I cited earlier: "What kind of cancer can you [eat herbs and not get --]?" as opposed to "*Which thief have [you identified -- and we have arrested  his accomplice]?"  In this context, I am interested in the kind of a paraphrase that is as faithful to the coordinate construction as possible yet possible in English (marginally, or even if unacceptable, semantically intelligible).  That is why I suggested two possibilities: "What kind of cancer is it that if you eat herbs, you won't get (it)?" (the assumption here is that the coordination at hand is semantically not coordinate but subordiante; namely "and" means something like "if") or "What kind of cancer can you eat herbs so that you won't get (it)?" (this departs from my assumption of "and" being conditioinal in this context at least).   Could you choose between the two or suggest a better one that is as close to the original sentence semantically and constructioanlly as possible, in your intuitive judgment?12blockquote
10Could anyone provide some help in forming a response to this?02br
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0Hi Steve,02br 02br 00Generally speaking, I have trouble understanding clearly what he is asking. I'll go through and try to make some comments. 02br 02br 01font 00I received02font 01font 00 this question from a Japanese professor that I am having trouble answering:02br 02font 01blockquote 02br 12br 11font 10I am working on the issue of extracting some phrase out of a coordinate structure of the form "[A and B]".

  • 0Hi Steve,02br 02br 00Generally speaking, I have trouble understanding clearly what he is asking.
  • I'll go through and try to make some comments.
  • 02br 02br 01font 00I received02font 01font 00 this question from a Japanese professor that I am having trouble answering:02br 02font 01blockquote 02br 12br 11font 10I am working on the issue of extracting some phrase out of a coordinate structure of the form "[A and B]".
  • As you know, it is generally not allowed to do so.
  • For example, "*Which boy did you meet [Susan and --]?
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0Hi Steve,02br
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00Generally speaking, I have trouble understanding clearly what he is asking. I'll go through and try to make some comments. My advice is that you should focus your native speaker skills on ensuring that his sentences and paraphrases sound acceptable, and let him focus on his theories.02br
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0Well, I have NO idea what he is talking about, but . . . 02br
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00 "What kind of cancer is it that, if you eat herbs, you won't get?" 01u00is awkward, but gramactically correct. with added commas.02u02br
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00What kind of cancer can you eat herbs so that you won't get (it)?" not grammatcially correct.02br
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0I know exactly what he's talking about, with the possible exception of the purpose of the paraphrasing exercise, and I don't have an answer. It seems to me that this is a rather advanced research project in linguistics. It might require hours of introspection to formulate a coherent response. It's not the sort of question that can be answered even superficially in a forum format.02br
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0Here is a response from the Japanese professor to the last question:01blockquote
00My answer to the kind responder's question is yes: I believe the exceptional case of extraction from coordinate structures has something to do with the semantics of the conjunction used ("and"). Furthermore, the meaning involved is conditional ("if"). Thanks for your help.12blockquote
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0I don't think the paraphrase is uniformly the same in all cases. Something involving 01i00in order to02i00, that is, some sort of infinitive of purpose, is often a good paraphrase.02br
01i00What kinds of aches can you take a pill and relieve __ ?02i00 [take a pill 01u00in order to02u00 relieve (them)]02br
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