Gotten

[nq:1]Sorry if this has been done to death already. Is it true that the word gotten was originally part of English English? If so, then when did it disappear (I'm assuming it is now verboten)?[/nq]
The last UK use of it cited in OED dates from 1894.

However, I'm not at all sure that it didn't linger some time after that in the speech of older (especially uneducated) people. I certainl

[nq:1]Is it true that the word gotten was originally part of English English? If so, then when did it disappear (I'm assuming it is now verboten)?[/nq]
I can't tell you whether it's true, but it is quite widely believed. See, for example:
http://www.randomhouse.com/wotd/index.pperl?date=19990

[nq:2]Is it true that the word gotten was originally part ... when did it disappear (I'm assuming it is now verboten)?[/nq]
[nq:1]The last UK use of it cited in OED dates from 1894. However, I'm not at all sure that it ... uneducated) people. I certainly remember the similar "boughten" being used by a middle-aged lady of my acquaintance in the mid-1960s.[/nq]
The ending "-en" used to be st

[nq:1]But under what circumstances does the use of "got" rather than "gotten" create a problem?[/nq]
Well... Americans have have both "gotten" and "got", with different usage.

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[nq:2]But under what circumstances does the use of "got" rather than "gotten" create a problem?[/nq]
[nq:1]Well... Americans have have both "gotten" and "got", with different usage.[/nq]
But do they ever use "got" as a past participle? I though they only used it as a simple imperfect.
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Tony

Tony Mountifield
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[nq:1]Sorry if this has been done to death already. Is it true that the word gotten was originally part of English English? If so, then when did it disappear (I'm assuming it is now verboten)?[/nq]
It was, and it still is AFAIAC. I am sure I have used it in contexts where the strong form 'got' seemed inappropriate. Clearly, the weak forms "gotted" or "getted" are wrong and ugly, so we have "go

[nq:1]The loss of the second-person singular in English seems to me to be regrettable because there are quite a few ... "you" is meant to be the person being spoken to or some group of which that person is a part.[/nq]
I presume you are referring to thee, thou?
I have a vague memory that the 'y' in "you" and "your" derives from a thorn rune in Old English. If that's the case, were the word

[nq:1]On the subject of distinguishing second person singular and plural. My native Scouse can offer the rather intuitive (and dare I say extremely attractive) alternative of "youse" for the plural form.[/nq]
Imported from Ireland I believe.

Peter Duncanson
UK
(posting from u.c.l.e)

[nq:2]The loss of the second-person singular in English seems to ... or some group of which that person is a part.[/nq]
[nq:1]I presume you are referring to thee, thou?[/nq]
Yes.
[nq:1]I have a vague memory that the 'y' in "you" and "your" derives from a thorn rune in Old English.[/nq]
No.
[nq:1]If that's the case, were the words "thou" and "you "actually different?[/nq]
Ye

[nq:2]On the subject of distinguishing second person singular and plural. ... say extremely attractive) alternative of "youse" for the plural form.[/nq]
[nq:1]Imported from Ireland I believe.[/nq]
It's quite likely that this, as in the Indian example I quoted, comes from a community which had adopted English but in doing so found it hard to drop the singular/plural second person distinctio