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Ghoti and Fish
HI all,
I heard that ghoti and fish have same pronunciation. Can "ghoti" sound like fish? How is it possible?
Niceguy
I heard that ghoti and fish have same pronunciation. Can "ghoti" sound like fish? How is it possible?
Niceguy
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[nq:1]HI all, I heard that ghoti and fish have same pronunciation. Can "ghoti" sound like fish? [/nq] This is an oldie: It is the -gh from, say, enough (f).
- [nq:1]HI all, I heard that ghoti and fish have same pronunciation.
- Can "ghoti" sound like fish?
- [/nq] This is an oldie: It is the -gh from, say, enough (f).
- The -o- from women (i) The -ti- from, say, action .
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[nq:1]HI all, I heard that ghoti and fish have same pronunciation. Can "ghoti" sound like fish? How is it possible?[/nq]
This is an oldie:
It is the -gh from, say, enough (f).
The -o- from women (i)
The -ti- from, say, action
This is an oldie:
It is the -gh from, say, enough (f).
The -o- from women (i)
The -ti- from, say, action
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[nq:1]HI all, I heard that ghoti and fish have same pronunciation. Can "ghoti" sound like fish? How is it possible?[/nq]
'ghoti' can never be pronounced 'fish'. The claim that 'fish' could be spelt 'ghoti' is a longer-standing part of the criticism of the "irrationality" of English spelling. It is based on assigning phonetic values to letters that they never have in the places they occu
'ghoti' can never be pronounced 'fish'. The claim that 'fish' could be spelt 'ghoti' is a longer-standing part of the criticism of the "irrationality" of English spelling. It is based on assigning phonetic values to letters that they never have in the places they occu
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[nq:2]HI all, I heard that ghoti and fish have same pronunciation. Can "ghoti" sound like fish? How is it possible?[/nq]
[nq:1]'ghoti' can never be pronounced 'fish'. The claim that 'fish'could be spelt 'ghoti' is a longer-standing part of the criticism ... values to letters that they never have in the placesthey occur in 'ghoti.' It is specious, and should be ignored.[/nq]
Or, more
[nq:1]'ghoti' can never be pronounced 'fish'. The claim that 'fish'could be spelt 'ghoti' is a longer-standing part of the criticism ... values to letters that they never have in the placesthey occur in 'ghoti.' It is specious, and should be ignored.[/nq]
Or, more
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[nq:1]HI all, I heard that ghoti and fish have same pronunciation. Can "ghoti" sound like fish? How is it possible?[/nq]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghoti
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[nq:2]HI all, I heard that ghoti and fish have same pronunciation. Can "ghoti" sound like fish? How is it possible?[/nq]
[nq:1]'ghoti' can never be pronounced 'fish'. The claim that 'fish' could be spelt 'ghoti' is a longer-standing part of the ... to letters that they never have in the places they occur in 'ghoti.' It is specious, and should be ignored.[/nq]
Oh, beautiful for speci
[nq:1]'ghoti' can never be pronounced 'fish'. The claim that 'fish' could be spelt 'ghoti' is a longer-standing part of the ... to letters that they never have in the places they occur in 'ghoti.' It is specious, and should be ignored.[/nq]
Oh, beautiful for speci
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[nq:1]HI all, I heard that ghoti and fish have same pronunciation. Can "ghoti" sound like fish? How is it possible? Niceguy[/nq]
That attacks a strawman. Standard English is spelled annoduodeviginticentenaromagnalondinomorphophonemically, and sounds neo-Elizabethan, but to the modern ear would still be "just another dialect".
~Iain
That attacks a strawman. Standard English is spelled annoduodeviginticentenaromagnalondinomorphophonemically, and sounds neo-Elizabethan, but to the modern ear would still be "just another dialect".
~Iain
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[nq:2]'ghoti' can never be pronounced 'fish'. The claim that 'fish' ... occur in 'ghoti.' It is specious, and should be ignored.[/nq]
On the contrary, it should be admired as an ingenious illustration of the absurdity of English spelling. The tired old argument that the collocations in "ghoti" don't occur in those positions in ordinary English words is not persuasive. The sound (f) is spelled
On the contrary, it should be admired as an ingenious illustration of the absurdity of English spelling. The tired old argument that the collocations in "ghoti" don't occur in those positions in ordinary English words is not persuasive. The sound (f) is spelled
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[nq:1]On the contrary, it should be admired as an ingenious illustration of the absurdity of English spelling. The tired old ... spelling because there are no other English words, except for other derivatives of "beauty", in which "eau" is pronounced (ju:)?[/nq]
What's a tired argument to you was a novel argument to me when I encountered it just a few years ago. A foreigner learning English ma
What's a tired argument to you was a novel argument to me when I encountered it just a few years ago. A foreigner learning English ma
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[nq:1]On the contrary, it should be admired as an ingenious illustration of the absurdity of English spelling.[/nq]
English spelling is not absurd. You are making two false assumptions:
1) That it is supposed to denote modern\mainstream pronunciation.
2) That it is supposed to be fully phonetic\phonemic
Readers don't care exactly how a person says "Re-", only that they are say
English spelling is not absurd. You are making two false assumptions:
1) That it is supposed to denote modern\mainstream pronunciation.
2) That it is supposed to be fully phonetic\phonemic
Readers don't care exactly how a person says "Re-", only that they are say
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[nq:1]What's a tired argument to you was a novel argument to me when I encountered it just a few years ... think of in which "a" by itself (rather than in combinations such as "au" or "eau") is pronounced like "oh."[/nq]
Are you sure it's not the Focker effect?
~Iain
Are you sure it's not the Focker effect?
~Iain
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