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Hi,Would you please tell me if it is possible to use more than 3 nouns in a row? I mean two noun describing the last noun.London oxford university students (I know I should use oxford with upper-case 'O', but I think you got my point)What about:London Oxford University studentsThanks

CalifJim · Accepted Answer

Paeeztell me if it is possible to use more than 3 nouns in a row?

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PaeezLondon Oxford University students

OK.

CJ

Paeez · Answer

Thank you Jim,
Are there any rules to use genitives effectively?
I mean, I learned that we can use only 3 nouns in a row, and the last one is the main noun and the other ones describe the last one.

In addition, if we have n1 n2 n3. Neither n1 nor n2 can be plural, and it can be understood as plural, eg heavy industry organization (I know that heavy is an adjective) it is understood that it means industries. And if I wanted to use plural nouns, like for titles, we should use this : Heavy Industries Organization, and that is acceptable.

CalifJim · Answer

PaeezAre there any rules to use genitives effectively?

They are not genitives. They are compound nouns. No, there are no rules.

Paeezif I wanted to use plural nouns, like for titles, we should use this : Heavy Industries Organization, and that is acceptable.

I don't find that combination idiomatic.
Better: Organization in Heavy Industry.

CJ

Paeez · Answer

CalifJimThey are not genitives. They are compound nouns. No, there are no rules.

I'm a bit confused, what I found now about genitives:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genitive_case

"In grammar, genitive (abbreviated gen; also called the possessive case or second case) is the grammatical case that marks a noun as modifying another noun. It often marks a noun as being the possessor of another noun; however, it can also indicate various other relationships than possession: certain verbs may take arguments in the genitive case, and it may have adverbial uses (see Adverbial genitive).
Placing the modifying noun in the genitive case is one way to indicate that two nouns are related in a genitive construction. Modern English typically does not morphologically mark nouns for a genitive case in order to indicate a genitive construction; instead, it uses either the 's clitic or a preposition (usually of). However, the personal pronouns do have distinct possessive forms. There are various other ways to indicate a genitive construction, as well. For example, many Afroasiatic languages place the head noun (rather than the modifying noun) in the construct state."

So, I guess those are forms of genitives, because they can indicate a relationship between those nouns. I mean we could change them with 's or of ! eg Organization of heavy industries : noun phrase of noun phrase (Adjective+noun).

CalifJimBetter: Organization in Heavy Industry.

I didn't understand, why in?

Paeez · Answer

PS I checked all the meanings of "in", but I didn't find anything that make sense.
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CalifJim · Answer

[Organization / Management Hierarchy / Departments and How They Interact]
[in / within / inside of]
[Companies/Corporations]
that are classified as
Heavy Industries.

CJ

Paeez · Answer

Haaaa... I see. What I meant wasn't a concept, was physically (if physically is the correct expression) an organ. I meant an office, a place and Organization of Heavy Industries is the office, governmental or private, that was kind of a union. I see why it was strange. Anyway, with what I have in my mind, I would appreciate it so much, if you help me to those my questions become clear.

Thank for the time you've spent for me. I really appreciate it.

CalifJim · Answer

PaeezI meant an office, a place and Organization of Heavy Industries is the office, governmental or private, that was kind of a union.

You might mean one of these.

Department of Heavy Industry
Association of Heavy Industries
Confederation of Heavy Industries

CJ

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