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Djx Posted 10 years ago
Grammar
Future time clause
We're are not going out until the rain has stopped.
I saw this written down and wanted to know why 'has stopped' is used and not 'stopped' present perfect is used and not past simple. Why is this? I tried looking on line but can't find an explanation.
Thanks
I saw this written down and wanted to know why 'has stopped' is used and not 'stopped' present perfect is used and not past simple. Why is this? I tried looking on line but can't find an explanation.
Thanks
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Sorry I meant to write. We are not going out until the rain has stopped
- Sorry I meant to write.
- We are not going out until the rain has stopped
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Sorry I meant to write.
We are not going out until the rain has stopped
We are not going out until the rain has stopped
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You can used "until the rain stops" or "until the rain has stopped."
There is little difference.
Perhaps with "until the rain stops" you might feel that the moment it stops, you will leave.
Perhaps with "until the rain has stopped" you might feel that it's anytime after it stops raining you'll leave. Maybe immediately, maybe an hour later.
There is little difference.
Perhaps with "until the rain stops" you might feel that the moment it stops, you will leave.
Perhaps with "until the rain has stopped" you might feel that it's anytime after it stops raining you'll leave. Maybe immediately, maybe an hour later.
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That makes sense... Thanks... Another thing...
'until the rain stopped ' is not possible because it's a' past' word and the time clause must be followed by a 'present' word?
'until the rain stopped ' is not possible because it's a' past' word and the time clause must be followed by a 'present' word?
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We're are not going out until the rain has stopped. OR We're not going out until the rain stops.
It is interesting that the present perfect is achieving a future tense concept, but it is doing that exactly and it is correct. I think "until" is an important factor here that makes it seem as if we are almost reflecting the present tenseness we'll experience in that moment, when t
It is interesting that the present perfect is achieving a future tense concept, but it is doing that exactly and it is correct. I think "until" is an important factor here that makes it seem as if we are almost reflecting the present tenseness we'll experience in that moment, when t
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Right.
We didn't go out until the rain [had] stopped. (To me, including the "had" is natural, but some would say it's not strictly required.)
We didn't go out until the rain [had] stopped. (To me, including the "had" is natural, but some would say it's not strictly required.)
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When the order is clear, you don't always need the past perfect.
If I say "I went out after the rain stopped" you know immediately what happened first.
You can also say "I went out after the rain had stopped" with no difference in meaning.
So the past perfect is not always required.
If I say "I went out after the rain stopped" you know immediately what happened first.
You can also say "I went out after the rain had stopped" with no difference in meaning.
So the past perfect is not always required.
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DjxWe are not going out until the rain has stopped.Present and present perfect tenses are both "present point of view" tenses.
Past and past perfect tenses are both "past point of view" tenses.
After subordinators of time (when, before, after, until, as soon as, ...) we use one of the "present point of view" tenses when the main clause is
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BarbaraPARight.We didn't go out until the rain [had] stopped. (To me, including the "had" is natural, but some would say it's not strictly required.)I think that "had stopped" emphasizes the implied sequence of actions in the positive sense, i.e. first the rain had stopped, next we went out.
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