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French stereotype used in a serious article
Today's St. Paul Pioneer Press reprinted an article by Craig S. Smith from the New York Times which concerned bias in France. The following is a passage from that article:
"The concept of French identity remains rooted deep in the country's centuries-old culture, and a significant portion of the population has yet to accept the increasingly multiethnic makeup of the population. Put simply, being French, for many people, remains a baguette-and-beret affair."
I thought it was bad when a French artist, no less, used the striped-shirt-and-beret stereotype in an illustration for an entry in Labels for Locals by Paul Dickson (the character in the illustration was carrying a baguette as well). Neither striped shirts nor berets are particularly representative of current French customs of dress. If there were ever any aptness to the image, which I'm inclined to doubt, it's now simply a mindless stereotype. But in the case of the Dickson book, the illustrations were intended to be amusing. To have the beret-wearing stereotype of the French in a serious article concerning the French people in the New York Times is pretty disgusting.
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
"The concept of French identity remains rooted deep in the country's centuries-old culture, and a significant portion of the population has yet to accept the increasingly multiethnic makeup of the population. Put simply, being French, for many people, remains a baguette-and-beret affair."
I thought it was bad when a French artist, no less, used the striped-shirt-and-beret stereotype in an illustration for an entry in Labels for Locals by Paul Dickson (the character in the illustration was carrying a baguette as well). Neither striped shirts nor berets are particularly representative of current French customs of dress. If there were ever any aptness to the image, which I'm inclined to doubt, it's now simply a mindless stereotype. But in the case of the Dickson book, the illustrations were intended to be amusing. To have the beret-wearing stereotype of the French in a serious article concerning the French people in the New York Times is pretty disgusting.
Raymond S. Wise
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA
E-mail: mplsray @ yahoo . com
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[nq:1]Today's St. Paul Pioneer Press reprinted an article by Craig S. Smith from the New York Times which concerned bias ...
- [nq:1]Today's St.
- Paul Pioneer Press reprinted an article by Craig S.
- Smith from the New York Times which concerned bias ...
- [/nq] Even better was the "centuries-old culture" bit.
- (Like, wow!
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[nq:1]Today's St. Paul Pioneer Press reprinted an article by Craig S. Smith from the New York Times which concerned bias ... stereotype of the French in a serious article concerning the French people in the New York Times is pretty disgusting.[/nq]
Even better was the "centuries-old culture" bit. (Like, wow! You mean there were Frenchmen before Lafayette? Whodathought!)
To be fair to
Even better was the "centuries-old culture" bit. (Like, wow! You mean there were Frenchmen before Lafayette? Whodathought!)
To be fair to
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[nq:1]Today's St. Paul Pioneer Press reprinted an article by Craig S. Smith from the New York Times which concerned bias ... people, remains a baguette-and-beret affair." I thought it was bad when a French artist, no less, used the striped-shirt-and-beret stereotype[/nq]
OK, you rewrite it. Express the idea but do it without a silly stereotype.
"It's a good thing to be merciless, it c
OK, you rewrite it. Express the idea but do it without a silly stereotype.
"It's a good thing to be merciless, it c
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[nq:1]Today's St. Paul Pioneer Press reprinted an article by Craig S. Smith from the New York Times which concerned bias ... stereotype of the French in a serious article concerning the French people in the New York Times is pretty disgusting.[/nq]
Makes a change from 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys' or whatever fascist drivel the US press were spouting last time somebody deigned to disagree
Makes a change from 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys' or whatever fascist drivel the US press were spouting last time somebody deigned to disagree
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[nq:2]Today's St. Paul Pioneer Press reprinted an article by Craig ... French people in the New York Times is pretty disgusting.[/nq]
[nq:1]Makes a change from 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys' or whatever fascist drivel the US press were spouting last time somebody deigned to disagree with American foreign policy.[/nq]
"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys" is "fascist"? I think it is a silly
[nq:1]Makes a change from 'cheese-eating surrender monkeys' or whatever fascist drivel the US press were spouting last time somebody deigned to disagree with American foreign policy.[/nq]
"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys" is "fascist"? I think it is a silly
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[nq:1]Perhaps a clue to how the Italians have escaped being remembered as weakest militarily is in their self deprecation about it contrasted to French hubris.[/nq]
I'm just wondering where you find all these self-deprecating types...? Perhaps it depends what papers you read...or which football games you watch (it was all the ref's fault, mind you!)...
cheers,
Stephanie
in Brussels
I'm just wondering where you find all these self-deprecating types...? Perhaps it depends what papers you read...or which football games you watch (it was all the ref's fault, mind you!)...
cheers,
Stephanie
in Brussels
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[nq:1]To be fair to the NYT, though, the reporting in general on the French rioting has been dismal even among ... it's France, but tomorrow your local chapter of the Al-Qaeda-funded International Disaffected Muslim Yoof Jihad could burn your car too!"[/nq]
A bit of a simplistic assessment, dontcha fink?
There seems to be general agreement on numbers and extent of damage and injury in most
A bit of a simplistic assessment, dontcha fink?
There seems to be general agreement on numbers and extent of damage and injury in most
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[nq:1] As far as "Disaffected Muslim Yoof" is concerned...try a midnight stroll around the Pakistani areas of Bradford or Blackburn...it might be more than your car that gets burned.[/nq]
Yeah, and I know why they're so scary, it's because they have black hair. Right?
No, wait. It's because they're poor, right?
No, wait. It's because they're treated like ***, right? No, no. I KNOW! IT'
Yeah, and I know why they're so scary, it's because they have black hair. Right?
No, wait. It's because they're poor, right?
No, wait. It's because they're treated like ***, right? No, no. I KNOW! IT'
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[nq:2]To be fair to the NYT, though, the reporting in ... International Disaffected Muslim Yoof Jihad could burn your car too!"[/nq]
[nq:1]A bit of a simplistic assessment, dontcha fink? There seems to be general agreement on numbers and extent of damage ... a midnight stroll around the Pakistani areas of Bradford or Blackburn...it might be more than your car that gets burned.[/nq]
But the
[nq:1]A bit of a simplistic assessment, dontcha fink? There seems to be general agreement on numbers and extent of damage ... a midnight stroll around the Pakistani areas of Bradford or Blackburn...it might be more than your car that gets burned.[/nq]
But the
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[nq:1]Today's St. Paul Pioneer Press reprinted an article by Craig S. Smith from the New York Times which concerned bias ... stereotype of the French in a serious article concerning the French people in the New York Times is pretty disgusting.[/nq]
The beret is pretty rare in big towns,
but in the countryside it can still be seen.
And you can still buy new ones in shops like the Point
The beret is pretty rare in big towns,
but in the countryside it can still be seen.
And you can still buy new ones in shops like the Point
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[nq:1]It's interesting that the French would be termed militarily as the ultimate losers even though they were at least on ... the Italians have escaped being remembered as weakest militarily is in their self deprecation about it contrasted to French hubris.[/nq]
The French lost at least two wars against Italians (if you count Gaul v Rome as one). This could be a world record.
Rob Ban
The French lost at least two wars against Italians (if you count Gaul v Rome as one). This could be a world record.
Rob Ban
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