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Anonymous Posted 18 years ago
Grammar

Follow-up to "Nagging conditional problem"

0Hi,02br
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00In part of the final post of the thread started by Anon named "Nagging conditional problem", Marius wrote this:02br
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01i00If you 01b00happen to have 02b00money (with/on you), 01b00could/would02b00 you lend me some? 02i00[this is more about present02br
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01i01b00Should02b00 you01b00 have 02b00money (with/on you), 01b00could/would02b00 you lend me some?02i01b00 ["chancy" should02b02br
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01i01b00On the chance that02b00 you01b00 have 02b00money (with/on you), 01b00could/would02b00 you lend me some02i02br
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01i01u00Are these by Marius correct? I feel they should be since he is a guru but I don't understand how they could be so. 02u02i02br
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01i00If you 01b00happen to have 02b00money (with/on you), 01b00could/would02b00 you lend me some? 02i00[this is more about present -- if the if-clause is in present tense, can we use the modals 'could' and 'would'? Does the phrase 'happen to have' make any difference here?02br
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01i01b00Should02b00 you01b00 have 02b00money (with/on you), 01b00could/would02b00 you lend me some?02i01b00 ["chancy" should --02b00 To me, 'should' here is functionally equal to "if", so the sentence could be read:02br
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00If you have money (with/on you), could/would you lend me some?0-
  

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01cite10Anonymous12cite10since he is a guru12blockquote
10 This is no reflection on Marius at all, but realize that titles like Guru are based entirely on the number of posts a person has contributed to the forum. When you reach the correct number of posts (I forget what it is), you too will be a Guru.02br
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01cite10Anonymous12cite11i11u10Are these by Marius correct? I feel they should be since he is a guru but I don't understand how they could be so. 12u12i12br
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11i10If you 11b10happen to have 12b10money (with/on you), 11b10could/would12b
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0Thank you so much.02br
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00Would you say that the following sentences reflect the polite use aspect of the modal "could/would" or possibly in the case of "would" more of politeness than the conditional nature? I thihk the modal 'could' and possibly 'would' have some differing uses.02br
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11i10If you 11b10happen to have 12b10money (with/on you), 11b10could/would12b10 you lend me some? 12i10[this is more about present -- if the if-clause is in present tense, can we use the modals 'could' and 'would'? Does the phrase 'happen
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0Thank you.02br
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00Would you say these are examples of any of traditional (?) first, or second, or third conditional or any of the acceptable variants thereof? I have been rubbing my eyes for any clues as to their relevance or relationship to the traditional (?) first, or second, or third conditional but they seem to be fleeting from me at best. 02br
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0>I thihk the modal 'could' and possibly 'would' have some differing uses.02br
00could: about ability, would: about willingness01blockquote
01cite10Anonymous12cite10Thank you.12br
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10Would you say these are examples of any of traditional (?) first, or second, or third conditional or any of the acceptable variant
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0>In fact, in real life, I would in this context usually say "If you have 01i00any02i00 money...".)02br
00That's a good obs, Mr. Wordy. 0-
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0Thank you so much, Marius and Mr. Wordy. I think I checked out the mixed conditional section of the website you gave but01u00 I didn't see anything in the present tense though.02u02br
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00Also I came up with this. Is this a mixed conditional too?02br
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01i00If that is the case, wouldn't it make more sense to bring him along
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0> 01u00 I didn't see anything in the present tense though.02u02br
00Use your imagination, there are many possibilities out there for the mixed variety. You just need to read more authors:-), don't just learn grammar. 02br
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01i00If that 01b00is02b00 the case, 01b00wouldn't02b00 it ma
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0Thank you so much, Marius02br
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00You said: 02br
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00Use your imagination, there are many possibilities out there for the mixed variety. You just need to read more authors:-), don't just learn grammar. 02br
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00I think, if I am not mistaken, I saw an grammar help website listing (noting) its section on mixed conditionals as a
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