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Face the justice...
From President Bush's brief speech today:
"Now he will face the justice he denied to millions," Bush said (about Saddam Hussein)...
There's something about that sentence that bothers me a bit. "Facing justice" is not equivalent to receiving justice that was formerly denied.
The "justice" that is "faced" is generally seen as negative; the "justice" that is denied is generally seen as what would have been a positive justice.
Comments?
Maria Conlon
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"Now he will face the justice he denied to millions," Bush said (about Saddam Hussein)...
There's something about that sentence that bothers me a bit. "Facing justice" is not equivalent to receiving justice that was formerly denied.
The "justice" that is "faced" is generally seen as negative; the "justice" that is denied is generally seen as what would have been a positive justice.
Comments?
Maria Conlon
For email: Please don't use "from" address;
instead, use tootsie at sprynet dot com
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[nq:1]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face the justice he denied to millions," Bush said (about Saddam ... seen as negative; the "justice" that is denied is generally seen as what would have been a positive justice. [/nq] I don't see a problem.
- [nq:1]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face the justice he denied to millions," Bush said (about Saddam ...
- seen as negative; the "justice" that is denied is generally seen as what would have been a positive justice.
- [/nq] I don't see a problem.
- " A lot of the people Bush was thinking of, I believe, are dead, killed without any trial.
- I really don't understand your explanation, I'm afraid.
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[nq:1]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face the justice he denied to millions," Bush said (about Saddam ... seen as negative; the "justice" that is denied is generally seen as what would have been a positive justice. Comments?[/nq]
I don't see a problem. "He will be tried fairly in a court of law, which is an opportunity he denied to millions of other people when he was i
I don't see a problem. "He will be tried fairly in a court of law, which is an opportunity he denied to millions of other people when he was i
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[nq:2]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face ... seen as what would have been a positive justice. Comments?[/nq]
[nq:1]I don't see a problem. "He will be tried fairly in a court of law, which is an opportunity he ... using it some way like that, meaning an outcome of decisions instead of the procedure itself, the due legal process.[/nq]
The "due legal process" o
[nq:1]I don't see a problem. "He will be tried fairly in a court of law, which is an opportunity he ... using it some way like that, meaning an outcome of decisions instead of the procedure itself, the due legal process.[/nq]
The "due legal process" o
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[nq:1]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face the justice he denied to millions," Bush said (about Saddam ... seen as negative; the "justice" that is denied is generally seen as what would have been a positive justice. Comments?[/nq]
I think it's just a clever juxtapositioning, much like that of Saddam and Osama, in order make a point. It's not right or wrong in itself, jus
I think it's just a clever juxtapositioning, much like that of Saddam and Osama, in order make a point. It's not right or wrong in itself, jus
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[nq:2]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face ... seen as what would have been a positive justice. Comments?[/nq]
[nq:1]I don't see a problem. "He will be tried fairly in a court of law, which is an opportunity he denied to millions of other people when he was in charge."[/nq]
I'm sure that is an accurate interpretation, but that is not what he said.
[nq:1]..A lot o
[nq:1]I don't see a problem. "He will be tried fairly in a court of law, which is an opportunity he denied to millions of other people when he was in charge."[/nq]
I'm sure that is an accurate interpretation, but that is not what he said.
[nq:1]..A lot o
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Thus spake Maria Conlon:
[nq:1]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face the justice he denied to millions," Bush said (about Saddam ... seen as negative; the "justice" that is denied is generally seen as what would have been a positive justice. Comments?[/nq]
Yeah. What about the "millions" part? I hear it was in the hundred-thousands.
Simon R. Hughes
[nq:1]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face the justice he denied to millions," Bush said (about Saddam ... seen as negative; the "justice" that is denied is generally seen as what would have been a positive justice. Comments?[/nq]
Yeah. What about the "millions" part? I hear it was in the hundred-thousands.
Simon R. Hughes
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Thus spake Maria Conlon:
[nq:1]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face the justice he denied to millions," Bush said (about Saddam ... seen as negative; the "justice" that is denied is generally seen as what would have been a positive justice. Comments?[/nq]
Turning to other news, Keiko will be buried ashore. Is that the orca equivalent of being buried at sea?
[nq:1]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face the justice he denied to millions," Bush said (about Saddam ... seen as negative; the "justice" that is denied is generally seen as what would have been a positive justice. Comments?[/nq]
Turning to other news, Keiko will be buried ashore. Is that the orca equivalent of being buried at sea?
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[nq:2]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face ... seen as what would have been a positive justice. Comments?[/nq]
[nq:1]I think it's just a clever juxtapositioning, much like that of Saddam and Osama, in order make a point. It's not right or wrong in itself, just good copywriting by Bush's talented speechwriters.[/nq]
It is certainly a play on words, but I don't think i
[nq:1]I think it's just a clever juxtapositioning, much like that of Saddam and Osama, in order make a point. It's not right or wrong in itself, just good copywriting by Bush's talented speechwriters.[/nq]
It is certainly a play on words, but I don't think i
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[nq:1]Thus spake Maria Conlon:[/nq]
[nq:2]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face ... seen as what would have been a positive justice. Comments?[/nq]
[nq:1]Turning to other news, Keiko will be buried ashore. Is that the orca equivalent of being buried at sea?[/nq]
It blows this clever headline out of the water:
"Free *****" Sleeps with Fishes
[nq:2]From President Bush's brief speech today: "Now he will face ... seen as what would have been a positive justice. Comments?[/nq]
[nq:1]Turning to other news, Keiko will be buried ashore. Is that the orca equivalent of being buried at sea?[/nq]
It blows this clever headline out of the water:
"Free *****" Sleeps with Fishes
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[nq:2]I don't see a problem. "He will be tried fairly ... to millions of other people when he was in charge."[/nq]
[nq:1]I'm sure that is an accurate interpretation, but that is not what he said.[/nq]
You're saying "Yes, that's probably what he meant, but he actually said something different." I don't get what else it could mean.
[nq:2]..A lot of the people Bush was thinking of, I beli
[nq:1]I'm sure that is an accurate interpretation, but that is not what he said.[/nq]
You're saying "Yes, that's probably what he meant, but he actually said something different." I don't get what else it could mean.
[nq:2]..A lot of the people Bush was thinking of, I beli
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I heard Bush on the news. He said 'Facing the justice ( he denied ) etc etc' NOT 'Facing justice'. I would agree with you that 'facing justice' has a peremptory connotation. But the construction used is, to me, perfectly acceptable (and I'm not a Bush fan). He is talking about 'the justice Saddam denied' and saying that this is what Saddam must now face. The 'the' makes all the difference.
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