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Eye Dialect?
How "fake" does something have to be to be considered eye dialect? Some 'lists' i've seen online are very zealous, stopping just this side of banning all contractions in writing
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[nq:1]How "fake" does something have to be to be considered eye dialect? Some 'lists' i've seen online are very zealous, stopping just this side of banning all contractions in writing[/nq] As the man who coined "eye dialect," linguist George P. " And "don't" is just as clearly not* eye dialect, but a standard spelling for a standard word (standard even in some formal varieties of English, such as in some academic journals, or so I have been told).
- [nq:1]How "fake" does something have to be to be considered eye dialect?
- Some 'lists' i've seen online are very zealous, stopping just this side of banning all contractions in writing[/nq] As the man who coined "eye dialect," linguist George P.
- " And "don't" is just as clearly not* eye dialect, but a standard spelling for a standard word (standard even in some formal varieties of English, such as in some academic journals, or so I have been told).
- " since speakers of standard dialects sometimes say /In/ and /'wAn@/ and /'gAn@/.
- Some people in this newsgroup think "wuz" is acceptable pronunciation spelling, but I , who say /w@z/ (which also might be represented as /wVz/), am irritated by it and think it is unacceptable eye dialect.
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[nq:1]How "fake" does something have to be to be considered eye dialect? Some 'lists' i've seen online are very zealous, stopping just this side of banning all contractions in writing[/nq]
As the man who coined "eye dialect," linguist George P. Krapp, put it, in eye dialect, "the convention violated is one
of eyes, not of the ear." So "lissen" is plainly eye dialect, because everyone prono
As the man who coined "eye dialect," linguist George P. Krapp, put it, in eye dialect, "the convention violated is one
of eyes, not of the ear." So "lissen" is plainly eye dialect, because everyone prono
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[nq:2]How "fake" does something have to be to be considered ... stopping just this side of banning all contractions in writing[/nq]
[nq:1]As the man who coined "eye dialect," linguist George P. Krapp, put it, in eye dialect, "the convention violated is ... (standard even in some formal varieties of English, such as in some academic journals, or so I have been told).[/nq]
It is entirely wit
[nq:1]As the man who coined "eye dialect," linguist George P. Krapp, put it, in eye dialect, "the convention violated is ... (standard even in some formal varieties of English, such as in some academic journals, or so I have been told).[/nq]
It is entirely wit
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} It is entirely without value as a term then; or so I think. I had } taken 'eye dialect' to mean the mispronunciation of words like 'herb' } and 'often' by a population newly literate and under the impression } that all letters are to be articulated, else the world misconstrue the } speaker's importance.
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A "population newly literate": that was mean, right?
How about "
} It is entirely without value as a term then; or so I think. I had } taken 'eye dialect' to mean the mispronunciation of words like 'herb' } and 'often' by a population newly literate and under the impression } that all letters are to be articulated, else the world misconstrue the } speaker's importance.
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A "population newly literate": that was mean, right?
How about "
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[nq:1]... } It is entirely without value as a term then; or so I think. I had } taken 'eye ... to be articulated, else the world misconstrue the } speaker's importance. ... A "population newly literate": that was mean, right?[/nq]
Did you find it obscure? A trip into British social history may convince you of the newness of (near) universal literacy.
[nq:1]How about "Arctic"? Surely you do
Did you find it obscure? A trip into British social history may convince you of the newness of (near) universal literacy.
[nq:1]How about "Arctic"? Surely you do
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[nq:1]What else did Krapp coin?[/nq]
The last tape.
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
The last tape.
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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[nq:2]As the man who coined "eye dialect," linguist George P. ... as in someacademic journals, or so I have been told).[/nq]
[nq:1]It is entirely without value as a term then; or so I think. I had taken 'eye dialect' to mean ... population newly literate and under the impression that all letters are to be articulated, else the world misconstruethe speaker's importance.[/nq]
I think you're
[nq:1]It is entirely without value as a term then; or so I think. I had taken 'eye dialect' to mean ... population newly literate and under the impression that all letters are to be articulated, else the world misconstruethe speaker's importance.[/nq]
I think you're
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[nq:2]How "fake" does something have to be to be considered ... stopping just this side of banning all contractions in writing[/nq]
[nq:1]As the man who coined "eye dialect," linguist George P. Krapp, put it, in eye dialect, "the convention violated is ... but a sincere effort to represent nonstandard speech to an audience which might see "oncet" and pronounce it like "onset."[/nq]
I'd use
[nq:1]As the man who coined "eye dialect," linguist George P. Krapp, put it, in eye dialect, "the convention violated is ... but a sincere effort to represent nonstandard speech to an audience which might see "oncet" and pronounce it like "onset."[/nq]
I'd use
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[nq:2]As the man who coined "eye dialect," linguist George P. ... in some academic journals, or so I have been told).[/nq]
[nq:1]It is entirely without value as a term then; or so I think. I had taken 'eye dialect' to mean ... newly literate and under the impression that all letters are to be articulated, else the world misconstrue the speaker's importance.[/nq]
Those are spelling pronunci
[nq:1]It is entirely without value as a term then; or so I think. I had taken 'eye dialect' to mean ... newly literate and under the impression that all letters are to be articulated, else the world misconstrue the speaker's importance.[/nq]
Those are spelling pronunci
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[nq:2]What else did Krapp coin?[/nq]
[nq:1]The last tape.[/nq]
A bugler then?
[nq:1]The last tape.[/nq]
A bugler then?
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[nq:1]it, in because is just word academic[/nq]
Thank you for the exposition but I remain unconviced of the value of the term, which introduces, to me at least, wrenched meanings of 'eye' and 'dialect'. But 'linguists' are always doing that sort of thing it seems.
As for the pronunciation of 'herb' I believe you may find that the English did not pronounce the "h" with any regularity until
Thank you for the exposition but I remain unconviced of the value of the term, which introduces, to me at least, wrenched meanings of 'eye' and 'dialect'. But 'linguists' are always doing that sort of thing it seems.
As for the pronunciation of 'herb' I believe you may find that the English did not pronounce the "h" with any regularity until
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