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Teleostomi Posted 19 years ago
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Etymology of "there is no love lost"

"There is no love lost between them." means "they are at odds." but I'd like to know what the etymology of the idiom is. It seems to mean the opposite thing without the knowledge of what it really means.
  

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It just means "There isn't any love lost between them". It is a rhythmic structure that sounds well. I don't think you can say that there is a specific or identifiable etymology for the sentence, it is very common and can certainly be traced back in literature for at least two hundred years.

  • It just means "There isn't any love lost between them".
  • It is a rhythmic structure that sounds well.
  • I don't think you can say that there is a specific or identifiable etymology for the sentence, it is very common and can certainly be traced back in literature for at least two hundred years.
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It just means "There isn't any love lost between them". It is a rhythmic structure that sounds well. I don't think you can say that there is a specific or identifiable etymology for the sentence, it is very common and can certainly be traced back in literature for at least two hundred years.
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Imagine a bucket that would be filled with love (as if it were milk or water, or any liquid). If some got spilled (lost), it wouldn't really matter, for the bucket would still be full of it.

Now if there's not much love in the bucket, and some got lost/spilled, it would be a problem, because there would be as much less in the bucket - you would miss the spilled part.

Well, that's
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Hi,

There is no love lost between them." means "they are at odds." but I'd like to know what the etymology of the idiom is. It seems to mean the opposite thing without the knowledge of what it really means.

I don't see it as a matter of etymology. I think it's a question of understanding the meaning clearly.

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I think the etymology is uncertain, but it seems to be a sort of sarcastic understatement. My understanding is that the phrase, "love lost" started to appear in the late 16th Century.

For instance, in Wuthering Heights, if Catherine and Heathcliff had not been in love, there would have been no "love lost" in the fact that circumstances and societal constraints kept them apart.

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This idiom has bothered me from the moment I heard it for that reason. "There was no love found" clearly implies a lack of love. How does "There was no love lost between them" imply the same? Only through context clues does it seem to make sense.

It's all about the hidden implication I guess. "There was no love lost" because there was clearly never any love to begin with. "There was no lo
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THIS explanation makes the most sense. THANK YOU.
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I have also always been curious about the origin of the phrase, since it means the exact opposite of what it says.

Alas, after searching for an origin, it appears that there is none. Apparently, the phrase originally meant what it said (that two people cared about each other), but for reasons no one seems to be able to explain, it flipped its meaning and came to mean the opposite.

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