ESL vs ELS

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I saw an English institution calls ESL in Korea and ELS in other country. What's the difference between ESL and ELS?

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white filted:
[nq:1]I saw an English institution calls ESL in Korea and ELS in other country. What's the difference between ESL and ELS?[/nq]
ESL is "English as a Second Language"...don't know ELS, but it seems to be the name of a company that offers instruction in English...Google also finds interpretations like:
"Encyclopedia of Life Sciences"
"Evangelical Lutheran Synod"
"Elektronik Laser System"
"Employment, Labour and Social Affairs"
"Evansville Lapidary Society"
none of which I'd approach for language lessons..

(Interesting that this question wasn't crossposted to alt.english.usage)..r

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[nq:1]I saw an English institution calls ESL in Korea and ELS in other country. What's the difference between ESL and ELS?[/nq]
I worked in Italy for the European School of Languages last year. The name didn't have a connection with English as a Second Language.

DC - not Diego Casevettes

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[nq:2]I saw an English institution calls ESL in Korea and ELS in other country. What's the difference between ESL and ELS?[/nq]
[nq:1]I worked in Italy for the European School of Languages last year. The name didn't have a connection with English as a Second Language. DC - not Diego Casevettes[/nq]
Scrub that - European Language School.
DC - not David Cassidy, either

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[nq:1]I saw an English institution calls ESL in Korea and ELS in other country. What's the difference between ESL and ELS?[/nq]
And anyway, isn't EFL more er, correct?

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[nq:2]I saw an English institution calls ESL in Korea and ELS in other country. What's the difference between ESL and ELS?[/nq]
[nq:1]And anyway, isn't EFL more er, correct?[/nq]
Different things:
English as a Second Language - for people who live long term in an English speaking country
English as a Foreign Language - people who use English for travel, business or as a Lingua Franca.
This may seem a fine distinction, but in the trade it's significant.

Both of these are subsets of ESOL - English for Speakers of Other Languages.
AmE usage tends to just be ESL for everything.
DC

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[nq:2]And anyway, isn't EFL more er, correct?[/nq]
[nq:1]Different things: English as a Second Language - for people who live long term in an English speaking country English ... are subsets of ESOL - English for Speakers of Other Languages. AmE usage tends to just be ESL for everything.[/nq]
What about the übercorrect ELF (English as a Lingua Franca)?

Mickwick

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[nq:1]What about the übercorrect ELF (English as a Lingua Franca)?[/nq]
Never heard of it chuck.
DC

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white wrote on 02 Nov 2004:
[nq:1]I saw an English institution calls ESL in Korea and ELS in other country. What's the difference between ESL and ELS?[/nq]
ELS is the name of a language school. There are many of them in America.

Franke: EFL teacher & medical editor
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[nq:1]What about the =FCbercorrect ELF (English as a Lingua Franca)?[/nq]
Hey, watch them French cracks, boy. Y'all think we's a bunch'a=20 cheese-eatin' surrender monkeys ova heah?
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[nq:2]What about the übercorrect ELF (English as a Lingua Franca)?[/nq]
[nq:1]Never heard of it chuck.[/nq]
You've got anuvver fing coming, ven. ELF might mark the end of dental fricatives as we know vem. What's more, you might be out of a job if it catches on. Some ELF enthusiasts reckon that native speakers, who have been immersed since birth in notions of grammatical and phonological correctness, are constitutionally unsuited to the teaching of ELF.

ELF will be based on a reduced set of taught skills, the Lingua Franca Core. If it's not in the LFC, there's no need to teach it. Local custom will evolve to fill in the gaps. The sole aim is mutual intelligibility between non-native speakers. Thus the LFC includes basic sounds (the phonology? phonetics?), which are thought to be essential to mutual intelligibility, but not intonation or stress, which aren't.

This is all laid out in The Phonology of English as an International Language by Jennifer Jenkins. The entire first chapter is available here:
http://www.oup.com/pdf/elt/catalogue/0-19-442164-3-a.pdf

And here are some reviews:
http://www.eltnews.com/features/eltbooks/020.shtml http://davidd.myplace.nie.edu.sg/reviews/jenkins.htm

Jenkins suggests that native speakers of English are now largely irrelevant, and non-native speakers should actually provide the new model for EIL, and she proposes that native speakers need to undergo retraining so that they themselves use the modified pronunciation of the LFC. Furthermore, she suggests that since non-native speakers have undergone the painful process of learning English, they are more attuned to the needs of other learners, and so they are actually the best teachers. These suggestions are certain to be highly unpopular with a large number of teachers of English throughout the world, a fact that Jenkins acknowledges and discusses at some length.

Mickwick,
stirring stuff

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