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"endeavour to have the matter further envisaged" - what date would you guess ???
Must share this - I have (really, really) just received a letter dated th Sept 2005 from my local council which contains the expression "
we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. "
Fuller context is
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Thank you for pointing out this apparent anomaly and we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. Unfortunately, this may take some time but it will be progressed.
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What date would the assembled experts have guessed for such wording??? I would have started 1910-ish, but having been 30 years in Computing am ignorant on these matters: any guesses or references ??
Yours aye
Rab
we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. "
Fuller context is
"
Thank you for pointing out this apparent anomaly and we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. Unfortunately, this may take some time but it will be progressed.
"
What date would the assembled experts have guessed for such wording??? I would have started 1910-ish, but having been 30 years in Computing am ignorant on these matters: any guesses or references ??
Yours aye
Rab
Top answer
[nq:1]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received a letter dated th Sept 2005 from my local council ... [/nq] It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make any sense and there ought to be a "will" before "endeavour".
- [nq:1]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received a letter dated th Sept 2005 from my local council ...
- [/nq] It reads like modern gobbledygook to me.
- "Envisaged" doesn't make any sense and there ought to be a "will" before "endeavour".
- I'm sure that a council employee in 1910 would have produced something more comprehensible.
- " Ogden Nash (1902-1971)
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[nq:1]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received a letter dated th Sept 2005 from my local council ... have started 1910-ish, but having been 30 years in Computing am ignorant on these matters: any guesses or references ??[/nq]
It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make any sense and there ought to be a "will" before "endeavour". I'm sure that a council empl
It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make any sense and there ought to be a "will" before "endeavour". I'm sure that a council empl
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[nq:1]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received a letter dated th Sept 2005 from my local council ... have started 1910-ish, but having been 30 years in Computing am ignorant on these matters: any guesses or references ??[/nq]
I strongly doubt that any English user of any century would have used English those ways. I suspect the text was written by a non-native English speaker wh
I strongly doubt that any English user of any century would have used English those ways. I suspect the text was written by a non-native English speaker wh
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[nq:2]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received ... am ignorant on these matters: any guesses or references ??[/nq]
[nq:1]It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make any sense and there ought to be a "will" before "endeavour". I'm sure that a council employee in 1910 would have produced something more comprehensible.[/nq]
And wouldn't have said "it will
[nq:1]It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make any sense and there ought to be a "will" before "endeavour". I'm sure that a council employee in 1910 would have produced something more comprehensible.[/nq]
And wouldn't have said "it will
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At 20:55:58 on Wed, 14 Sep 2005, John Briggs (Email Removed) wrote in :
[nq:2]It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make ... council employee in 1910 would have produced something more comprehensible.[/nq]
[nq:1]And wouldn't have said "it will be progressed."[/nq]
I suspect that around 1910 the passive voice would have ruled supreme.
"In reference to you
[nq:2]It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make ... council employee in 1910 would have produced something more comprehensible.[/nq]
[nq:1]And wouldn't have said "it will be progressed."[/nq]
I suspect that around 1910 the passive voice would have ruled supreme.
"In reference to you
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[nq:1]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received a letter dated th Sept 2005 from my local council which contains the expression " we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. "[/nq]
Obviously the writer thought "we are trying to find someone to look into the matter" too plain.
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Obviously the writer thought "we are trying to find someone to look into the matter" too plain.
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[nq:2]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received ... am ignorant on these matters: any guesses or references ??[/nq]
[nq:1]It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make any sense and there ought to be a "will" before "endeavour". I'm sure that a council employee in 1910 would have produced something more comprehensible.[/nq]
Modern gobbledygook for me too,
[nq:1]It reads like modern gobbledygook to me. "Envisaged" doesn't make any sense and there ought to be a "will" before "endeavour". I'm sure that a council employee in 1910 would have produced something more comprehensible.[/nq]
Modern gobbledygook for me too,
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At 21:41:48 on Wed, 14 Sep 2005, David (Email Removed) wrote in (Email Removed):
[nq:2]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received ... " we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. "[/nq]
[nq:1]Obviously the writer thought "we are trying to find someone to look into the matter" too plain.[/nq]
It's just occurred to me that "envisaged" is probably a spell-checker's su
[nq:2]Must share this - I have (really, really) just received ... " we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. "[/nq]
[nq:1]Obviously the writer thought "we are trying to find someone to look into the matter" too plain.[/nq]
It's just occurred to me that "envisaged" is probably a spell-checker's su
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[nq:1]Thank you for pointing out this apparent anomaly and we endeavour to have the matter further envisaged. Unfortunately, this may take some time but it will be progressed.[/nq]
Sounds to me like modern management-speak, with helpful input from the Legal, Marketing and Human Resources departments.
Giles
Sounds to me like modern management-speak, with helpful input from the Legal, Marketing and Human Resources departments.
Giles
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[nq:2]And wouldn't have said "it will be progressed."[/nq]
[nq:1]I suspect that around 1910 the passive voice would have ruled supreme. "In reference to your letter of the 10th inst., the subject matter has been noted and will receive our attention."[/nq]
Yes, of course - but it was "progress" as a verb that I was objecting to.
John Briggs
[nq:1]I suspect that around 1910 the passive voice would have ruled supreme. "In reference to your letter of the 10th inst., the subject matter has been noted and will receive our attention."[/nq]
Yes, of course - but it was "progress" as a verb that I was objecting to.
John Briggs
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[nq:1]Yes, of course - but it was "progress" as a verb that I was objecting to.[/nq]
There's nothing wrong with using "progress" as a verb, as in "The work is progressing nicely".
I suspect that what you really had in mind is an objection to using "progress" as a transitive verb. Surprising to see, though, the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary has the following definition of the verb "
There's nothing wrong with using "progress" as a verb, as in "The work is progressing nicely".
I suspect that what you really had in mind is an objection to using "progress" as a transitive verb. Surprising to see, though, the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary has the following definition of the verb "
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