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OJTabby Posted 14 years ago
Grammar

Ellipsis



"There is currently a great debate about whether NHL players should be forced to wear visors like they are with helmets."

Does anyone think something is missing between "they are" and "with helmets"?
  

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OJTabby Does anyone think something is missing between "they are" and "with helmets"? It depends whether you mean 'missing - left out but OK' or 'missing - incorrectly left out'. Yes to the first.

— CalifJim

  • OJTabby Does anyone think something is missing between "they are" and "with helmets"?
  • It depends whether you mean 'missing - left out but OK' or 'missing - incorrectly left out'.
  • Yes to the first.
  • No to the second.
  • 'like' should be 'as' in my opinion.
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OJTabbyDoes anyone think something is missing between "they are" and "with helmets"?
It depends whether you mean 'missing - left out but OK' or 'missing - incorrectly left out'.
Yes to the first. No to the second.

'like' should be 'as' in my opinion.

... forced to wear visors as they are (forced to do) with helmets.

CJ
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Thank you Clive.

I am confused about a few subtle points of ellipsis:

1 "Players wear visors as they wear helmets."
2 "Players wear visors as they do with helmets."
3 "Players wear visors as they do helmets."

Could one of 2 and 3 be unacceptable as an ellipted version of 1?
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OJTabby1 "Players wear visors as they wear helmets."2 "Players wear visors as they do with helmets."3 "Players wear visors as they do helmets."
2 is unacceptable because of the added "with".

3 is acceptable.

Whether either of these is elliptical is debatable. The "pro-verb" do substitutes for "wear", so is that ellipsis? I'm not awar
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CalifJim OJTabby1 "Players wear visors as they wear helmets."2 "Players wear visors as they do with helmets."3 "Players wear visors as they do helmets."2 is unacceptable because of the added "with".3 is acceptable.Whether either of these is elliptical is debatable. The "pro-verb" do substitutes for "wear", so is that ellipsis? I'm not aware of whether substitution counts
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OJTabbyDoes "do" substitute for "wear" or "wear visors"?
Good question. (That means, as usual, that I'm having trouble answering it.
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Thanks for your time and patience, CJ.
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Since this thread has gone on for a while, people may be dissuaded from adding more to it.

If I were you, I'd post the question again. (I won't contribute to the reposted version. That way you can get other opinions.)

CJ
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