Document - noun vs verb

Hi,

Not when I say it.

Clive

yes, there is a difference.

'd??k j? m?nt (n)
'd??k j? ?ment (v)

Notice the pronunciation of -ment when it is a verb.

raindoctoryes, there is a difference.

'd??k j? m?nt (n)
'd??k j? ?ment (v)

Notice the pronunciation of -ment when it is a verb.

Interesting, because that difference is present in several other words... Or is supposed to be present. And I'm glad Clive doesn't seem to make that distinction, because it just doesn't come natu

No difference in document/document for me, but I assure you there's a difference in pen/pin and even cot/caught for me.

For me, the word document ends pronounced the same as the word "meant."

And what about progress as a verb and progress as a noun? Would a native speaker say it differently?

Thanks,

Tom

Hi,

And what about progress as a verb and progress as a noun? Would a native speaker say it differently?

I stress the underlined syllable.



progress as a verb progress



progress as a noun progress

Clive

Hi Clive

When you say there is no difference when you say it, do you mean you pronounce it the same way as Barbara (last vowel same as "meant" for both noun and verb)? Or do you say them as a schwa?

Hi,

Same as Barbara.

Clive

Yeah, some variation is allowed, as it is called free variation in phonology.

For instance, M-W lists 'æk s?nt (n) as a British variant.

You can see such variation in the following examples as well:

?'k?n ?mi and ?'k?n ?mi
?g 'z?k li and ?g 'z?k li

Pter, dont fret too much about quality of the vowels when they are not stressed. What you shud focus on: the time you need to spend on the stressed syllable. Spend more time on pr?g- or pr?- when it is a noun.

Examples like barbara, bernardo, mirror, etc are tricky, since two successive syllables contain /r/, leading thereby to r-dissimilation.