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Anonymous Posted 18 years ago
Linguistics Studies

Do men use standard forms less that women do?

Do men use standard forms less that women do?

It has been suggested that men prefer vernacular forms because "they carry macho connotations of masculinity an toughness" (Holmes 2001).

It has also been suggested that vernacular forms "have 'covert prestige' by contrast with the overt prestige of the standard forms" (Holmes 2001).

An Introduction to Sociolinguistics: Second Edition. By Janet Holmes.
  

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This seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy, or whatever it's called. If it's true that women have had no role in the formulation of the vernacular, why should they use "tough masculine" forms? Perhaps they haven't been in the work place long enough to cast their influence on it's language.

  • This seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy, or whatever it's called.
  • If it's true that women have had no role in the formulation of the vernacular, why should they use "tough masculine" forms?
  • Perhaps they haven't been in the work place long enough to cast their influence on it's language.
  • - A.
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This seems like a self-fulfilling prophecy, or whatever it's called. If it's true that women have had no role in the formulation of the vernacular, why should they use "tough masculine" forms? Perhaps they haven't been in the work place long enough to cast their influence on it's language.

- A.
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<If it's true that women have had no role in the formulation of the vernacular, why should they use "tough masculine" forms? >

I'm not sure that anyone has suggested that women have not played a part in formulating vernacular forms. The point is that men prefer certain vernacular forms over certain standard forms.
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At least Trudgill found this was the case in some languages.
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How about in English?
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AnonymousIt has been suggested that men prefer vernacular forms because "they carry macho connotations of masculinity an toughness"
It has also been suggested that vernacular forms "have 'covert prestige' by contrast with the overt prestige of the standard forms"
These are both patently obvious. What is not clear is whether or not Holmes c
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<<These are both patently obvious.>>

To whom?
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<forms appropriate for more feminine expression >

Can you give us some examples?

Carrie
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<<What is not clear is whether or not Holmes claims that all vernacular forms carry macho connotations of masculinity and toughness, >>

I'd say it's clear. He says "men prefer vernacular forms". He doesn't say "men prefer the vernacular form". If he wanted to say "all vernacular forms are masculine", he would have used "the vern
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AnonymousI'd say it's clear. He says "men prefer vernacular forms". He doesn't say "men prefer the vernacular form". If he wanted to say "all vernacular forms are masculine", he would have
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AnonymousTo whom?
To them such as lives in the real world.

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