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New2grammar Posted 18 years ago
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01. We're always happy for world records to be broken.02br
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002. We're always happy that world records are broken.02br
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00Does 2 suggest that world records have been broken at the time of the speech which is not the case in 1 that simply suggest record breaking make them happy?02br
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0I think, "01i 01u 00when02u 02i 00 world records are broken," would mean broken at the time of the speech. Most people would take 1 & 2 to mean that as well, but I don't think it does. 0-

  • 0I think, "01i 01u 00when02u 02i 00 world records are broken," would mean broken at the time of the speech.
  • Most people would take 1 & 2 to mean that as well, but I don't think it does.
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0I think, "01i01u00when02u02i00 world records are broken," would mean broken at the time of the speech. Most people would take 1 & 2 to mean that as well, but I don't think it does. In my opinion, 1 is closer than 2 in that respect.0-
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0I have to say I'm a bit surprised. I wonder what native speakers would say assuming there are no records broken at the time of speech. My take is:02br
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00We're happy whenever world records are broken02br
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00Are there any better suggestions?0-
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00Hi N2g,02br
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00I'm sure you don't mean, "We'd be happy to see 01i01u00this02u00 record broken."02br
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00We must be "thinking about" specific records, since there'll never be a present or future time when no world records have been broken. Or do you wish to call attention to the fact tha
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0Thanks Avangi. I'm sorry for not being clear. Sometimes I thought I was clear but it turns out that my English confuses people. I should have presented a context and that would have cleared up what I want. Here it's02br
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00Let's say I'm a bicycle designer and I just built, what I think, the world's faster and lightest bike. In an interview, I am asked, What do I hope to
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0Hi N2g, I try to make my replies unintimidating, but sometimes I get careless. No worries on my account. I enjoy trying to figure these things out.02br
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00I know this avoids your question, but your interviewer and his audience (or readers) are going to be more puzzled than I was. Why be so circular? I'd be more direct. (We probably have different upbringings.) "We
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0Thank you so much for the wonderful insight into what native speakers think of them.Now, I understand why you find them odd. I wish I could find the CNN article that used this sentence and see if he was being sadistic. Well, it might not mean anything because he could be a non English speaker. I'm really glad to be able to see these sentences through a native speaker's eyes.02br
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0Your explanation of "see through etc." is accurate. It's better to use "someone's eyes," rather than "one's eyes." "One" is a special case. It's as close as active voice comes to being passive voice. 01i00Public transportation may be used as a way of saving gas. People may use public transportation as a way of saving gas. One may use public transportation as a way of saving gas.
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0I'm not a very observant person but yes, I've seen that signature of his and thought he was still using it. 02br
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00Thanks Avangi!0-

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