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Dash followed by comma (-,)

A question on punctuation:
(1) Sometimes, I write sentences which require a comma - like this one. (2) Sometimes - when I feel inclined to do so - I add an aside, enclosed by two dashes, to my sentence.
What happens to the comma when I do both. My logic says that the mere fact there is an aside, enclosed by two dashes, does not remove the need for the comma. According to my logic, the second dash should be followed by a comma. I have looked through a few books on the English language but haven't found anything which confirms or contradicts my way of thinking. In 'The Oxford Companion to the English Language' I found the following under the header 'Punctuation':
"The following extract shows commas, brackets, and dashes used in one fairly long sentence:
' The why and wherefore of the scorpion - how it had got on board and came to select his room rather than the pantry (which was a dark place and more what a scorpion would be partial to), and how on earth it managed to drown itself in the ink-well of his writing-desk - had exercised him infinitely.' (Joseph Conrad, The Secret Sharer)"
This sentence contains an aside within an aside. The outer one uses dashes, the inner one uses brackets. The closing bracket is followed by a comma, obviously because the comma is required with or without the aside. Would the same apply if the part 'which was a dark place ...' had been enclosed in dashes? (Obviously not in this sentence, because dashes are used for the outer aside.)
What do the experts say?
  

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[nq:1]A question on punctuation: (1) Sometimes, I write sentences which require a comma - like this one. (2) Sometimes - ... in dashes?

  • [nq:1]A question on punctuation: (1) Sometimes, I write sentences which require a comma - like this one.
  • (2) Sometimes - ...
  • in dashes?
  • [/nq] You give a good example of why Conrad, though a good writer, can't be regarded as a good writer!
  • He beats Henry James for my money every time; but that's my weakness.
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[nq:1]A question on punctuation: (1) Sometimes, I write sentences which require a comma - like this one. (2) Sometimes - ... in dashes? (Obviously not in this sentence, because dashes are used for the outer aside.) What do the experts say?[/nq]
You give a good example of why Conrad, though a good writer, can't be regarded as a good writer! He beats Henry James for my money every time; but that
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[nq:1]A question on punctuation: (1) Sometimes, I write sentences which require a comma - like this one. (2) Sometimes - ... I add an aside, enclosed by two dashes, to my sentence. What happens to the comma when I do both.[/nq]
If a comma and dash would come together, normal practice is to suppress the comma.
[nq:1]My logic says that the mere fact there is an aside, enclosed by two dashes,
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[nq:1]A question on punctuation:[/nq]
[nq:1]The closing bracket is followed by a comma, obviously because the comma is required with or without the aside. Would ... in dashes? (Obviously not in this sentence, because dashes are used for the outer aside.) What do the experts say?[/nq]
I say no, but I'm no expert.
Tired rant: Commas to the left of opening brackets are becoming quite comm
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[nq:1]Subject: Re: Dash followed by comma (-,) From: "Mike Lyle"[/nq]
Ooh, I loove punctuation threads.
[nq:2]"The following extract shows commas, brackets, and dashes used in[/nq]
I'm not quite sure what the "experts" say, but I believe it's poor style to use more than one set of parenthetical dashes in a single sentence, because the reader can too easily become confused about what is
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[nq:2]Subject: Re: Dash followed by comma (-,) From: "Mike Lyle"[/nq]
[nq:1]It's a matter of opinion, but, though I agree Conrad can be clunky,I like this sentence, despite its old-fashioned air because of the rhythms released by the layers.[/nq]
[nq:2]There's rarely any excuse for a parenthesis within a parenthesis;[/nq]
[nq:1]Unless it's done as well as this.[/nq]
Well, I did say
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[nq:1]How many stages of proof-reading must such scribblings pass through before they reach the press? (Probably only one, if you're ... the increase. The answer, I think, is that it *is* on the increase. If you see what I mean. Innit.)[/nq]
Something there is in the educated British mind which abhors precision. Since the things the nation is best at are music and scientific research, I have n
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[nq:1]Something there is in the educated British mind which abhors precision. Since the things the nation is best at are music and scientific research, I have never been able to understand this.[/nq]
Don't know so much about music. Much as I love Elgar and Vaughan Williams, there has been no British Bach, Mozart or Beethoven.

There was a brief and glorious period in the 1960s when we
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[nq:2]Something there is in the educated British mind which abhors ... scientific research, I have never been able to understand this.[/nq]
[nq:1]Don't know so much about music. Much as I love Elgar and Vaughan Williams, there has been no British Bach, ... brief and glorious period in the 1960s when we were the world's best at pop/rock music, but that's long gone.[/nq]
I was thinking of th
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[nq:1]I was thinking of the British performers and orchestras. It's statistically preposterous for a country this size and with such a perfunctory education system to have so many successes.[/nq]
Yes, but we haven't produced a decent composer since Purcell (or possibly Dunstable).
David
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[nq:1]Something there is in the educated British mind which abhors precision. Since the things the nation is best at are music and scientific research, I have never been able to understand this.[/nq]
Music? Before the JFK Assassination the British weren't even known for music, except for the odd composer here and there like Purcell or Elgar or for the odd tunesmith like Noel Coward and

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