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Cryptic crossword puzzles for the non-Brits.

Having posted a contribution earlier today (about Marks and Spencer) intended only for British and Irish readers, this one is for non-Brits (and non-Irish) only. I would be grateful if the British and Irish would refrain from replying to this post, at least to the extent of not answering the crossword clues set out lower down the page.
About six weeks ago, on BBC Radio 4, there was a programme about the addiction of a substantial number of Brits to cryptic crossword puzzles. The word "cryptic" here has a very special British meaning, which I shall explain later(1). The programme made the claim that Britain and some parts of Ireland were the only countries in the world that do cryptic crosswords, in our sense of the word. The programme claimed that Americans (for example) do have crosswords, but the clues are always direct. For example, Clue : Vituperate, Answer : Inveigh.
The purpose of this post is to check the correctness of the programme's claim that "Only the Brits and the Irish do cryptic crosswords, a pleasure that is not practised anywhere else in the world". I invite all non-Brits and non-Irish to attempt the following clues.
NB Explanation. (5,3), for example, indicates that the answer is of two words, the first 5 letters long, and the second of 3 letters. I have put in letters that I had already obtained from solving clues in the other direction, at the point where I myself was able to answer the clue in question.
1. Bet others fall at this all in a heap, but her feet don't falter whenshe's well up on points. (4, 2, 3, 6)
A : O : : A
2. Fruit tree (4)
3. Fresh set in the plant, and regenerated (7)R D
4. Any pupil in the school can carry this out for himself (7) T L
5. No doubt it once added spice to the conflict (4)
6. The home all the quartet returned to (5) L
7. Stand the journey and do return (7)
If you are a non-Brit and can do, say, 50% of these clues, then we have proved the Radio 4 programme wrong. If you can answer any of these clues, please feel free to do so, but at the same time tell us your nationality and your previous experience of cryptic crosswords. To emphasise the point, I repeat my plea that the British and Irish should not answer these clues.
(1). Cryptic, in the British crossword sense, means not straightforward, and often tortuous. Although tortuous, the answer is usually self-evident when you have finally worked out what it is.
The answer to the clue might be an anagram of some of the words that are used contiguously within the clue, but they do not tell you which words to make your anagram from. The answer might simply be a pun, based either on the words used in the clue, or on the word that is the answer to the clue. The answer to the clue might be (for example) the last 2 letters of one word, and the first 5 letters of the next word within the clue. And there are a host of other tricks that the crossword compiler has up his sleeve. For each clue, you need to work out which of these tricks the compiler might be using, because he does not tell you which trick he is using.

Richard Chambers Leeds UK.
  

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[nq:1]Having posted a contribution earlier today (about Marks and Spencer) intended only for British and Irish readers, this one is ... to this post, at least to the extent of not answering the crossword clues set out lower down the page.[/nq]
snip
[nq:1]7. Stand the journey and do return (7)[/nq]
Can I ask you to confirm that that's definitely the right length of word?
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[nq:1] The programme claimed that Americans (for example) do have crosswords, but the clues are always direct. For example, Clue : Vituperate, Answer : Inveigh.[/nq]
Bull. The clues are commonly abstruse puns,
insider pop culture references, or words of
intentionally ambiguous word class.
[nq:1]The purpose of this post is to check the correctness of the programme's claim that "Only
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[nq:2]7. Stand the journey and do return (7)[/nq]
[nq:1]Can I ask you to confirm that that's definitely the right length of word?[/nq]
My apologies, my mistake, you're quite right. You have evidently worked out the correct answer. The clue should have been
7. Stand the journey and do return (6)
How have you fared with the other clues?
Richard Chambers Leeds UK.
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[nq:1]Nonsense. When I was in the navy stationed at a tiny base in west Texas, my extremely Yank shipmates and I would do the Times cryptic crossword together in the mess hall. Sometimes we succeeded.[/nq]
Is this the New York Times you are referring to, or the London Times? Does the New York Times do a cryptic?
Richard Chambers Leeds UK.
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[nq:1]The Grammer Genious wrote[/nq]
[nq:2]Nonsense. When I was in the navy stationed at a ... cryptic crossword together in the mess hall. Sometimes we succeeded.[/nq]
[nq:1]Is this the New York Times you are referring to, or the London Times? Does the New York Times do a cryptic?[/nq]
The New York Times does two crosswords every Sunday. One is a normal (standard? I'm sure there's a t
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[nq:1]The Grammer Genious wrote[/nq]
[nq:2]Nonsense. When I was in the navy stationed at a ... cryptic crossword together in the mess hall. Sometimes we succeeded.[/nq]
[nq:1]Is this the New York Times you are referring to, or the London Times? Does the New York Times do a cryptic?[/nq]
I believe it was either the Times of London, or
maybe the Daily Tiligrahf, as you call it. We
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[nq:1]Harvey Van Sickle wrote[/nq]
[nq:2]Can I ask you to confirm that that's definitely the right length of word?[/nq]
[nq:1]My apologies, my mistake, you're quite right. You have evidently worked out the correct answer. The clue should have been ... How have you fared with the other clues?[/nq]
1, 3, 5, 6, and (now) 7, were straightforward; I think I'm OK on 2 and 4, but I'd want to
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[nq:1]On 18 Mar 2005, Richard Chambers wrote[/nq]
[nq:2]Harvey Van Sickle wrote My apologies, my mistake, you're quite ... How have you fared with the other clues?[/nq]
[nq:1]1, 3, 5, 6, and (now) 7, were straightforward; I think I'm OK on 2 and 4, but I'd want ... (2 seems non-cryptic, and I can't figure out why the answer I'm inclined to put into 4 would be correct.)[/nq]
2 could hav
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[nq:2]On 18 Mar 2005, Richard Chambers wrote 1, 3, 5, ... answer I'm inclined to put into 4 would be correct.)[/nq]
[nq:1]2 could have several answers (e.g. pear, plum) if it were a straight clue, but I can only think of ... name of a tree unrelated to the tree that bears the fruit of the same name. Try a juicier fruit.[/nq]
Green coloured fruit? (If so, that's what I figured, but even tha
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[nq:2]5 is the one I have a mental block on at present.[/nq]
[nq:1]I'm assuming it's that big gold-plated thing one sees in Parliament.[/nq]
No wonder I was having trouble. Our parliament left it in a brothel after a late night sitting a century or more ago, and it hasn't been seen since.

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