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City: both feminine and neuter?

Hello:
Is "city" both feminine and neuter in BrE?
It seems so from the following:

I return link by link along the iron chains of memory to the city which we inhabited so briefly together: the city which used us as ITS flora precipitated in us conflicts which were HERS and which we mistook for our oun: beloved Alexandria!
Lawrence Durrell, Justine

How about AmE?
Thank you.
Marius Hancu
  

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[nq:1]Is "city" both feminine and neuter in BrE? [/nq] Modern English (including BrE) has no grammatical gender. Any noun referring to something not of the male *** may take the ***-referenced pronoun she/her when the writer/speaker deems it appropriate.

  • [nq:1]Is "city" both feminine and neuter in BrE?
  • [/nq] Modern English (including BrE) has no grammatical gender.
  • Any noun referring to something not of the male *** may take the ***-referenced pronoun she/her when the writer/speaker deems it appropriate.
  • I have a beloved old family clock, and I keep her on the mantlepiece.
  • \\P.
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[nq:1]Is "city" both feminine and neuter in BrE? [/nq]
Modern English (including BrE) has no grammatical
gender.
Any noun referring to something not of the male
*** may take the ***-referenced pronoun she/her
when the writer/speaker deems it appropriate. I
have a beloved old family clock, and I keep her on the mantlepiece.
\\P. Schultz
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There's nothing I wish to add to that explanation in itself, but it may be of interest to note that there are a number of specific things that are often referred to as she/her ships, cars, motorcycles, and aircraft are three that spring to mind. Anything that men have affection for, perhaps?. And I have just recalled a group of young women who I saw playing with a big ball of the sort you sit and
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[nq:1]Hello: Is "city" both feminine and neuter in BrE? It seems so from the following: I return link by ... and which we mistook for our oun: beloved Alexandria! Lawrence Durrell, Justine How about AmE? Thank you. Marius Hancu[/nq]
It's literary for heaven's sake, Marius!!
The answer, for the record though, is NO.
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[nq:1]Hello: Is "city" both feminine and neuter in BrE? It seems so from the following: I return link by ... ITS flora precipitated in us conflicts which were HERS and which we mistook for our oun: beloved Alexandria! Lawrence Durrell, Justine[/nq]
You misunderstand.

1. English nouns have no gender; (nouns havegender in French, German, etc.)

2. This Durrell passage is fairly
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[nq:2]Is "city" both feminine and neuter in BrE? [/nq]
[nq:1]Modern English (including BrE) has no grammatical gender. Any noun referring to something not of the male *** may take the ***-referenced pronoun she/her when the writer/speaker deems it appropriate. I have a beloved old family clock, and I keep her on the mantlepiece.[/nq]
I was aware of the lack of explicit gender in English no
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[nq:1]There's nothing I wish to add to that explanation in itself, but it may be of interest to note that ... things that are often referred to as she/her ships, cars, motorcycles, and aircraft are three that spring to mind.[/nq]
Well, this is exactly the kind of references I was talking about. It seems that using pronouns instead of geographical nouns is related to some usage conventions such
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[nq:1]It's literary for heaven's sake, Marius!![/nq]
Certainly it is.
However, any writer is walking a fine line between freedom and norm, including grammatical norm or usage.
While Ms. Woolf can anthropomorphize the city and associate with it nouns of any perceived gender at her will (and she certainly does so), I'm trying to see if some of these associations are inspired or dictated
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[nq:1]While Ms. Woolf can anthropomorphize the city and associate with it nouns of any perceived gender at her ... especially knowing that for countries such preferred usage seems to exist, as I pointed out in another reply.[/nq]
wanted to say "associate with it PROnouns" ...
Marius Hancu
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[nq:2]Hello: Is "city" both feminine and neuter in BrE? It ... we mistook for our oun: beloved Alexandria! Lawrence Durrell, Justine[/nq]
[nq:1]You misunderstand. 1. English nouns have no gender; (nouns have gender in French, German, etc.) 2. This Durrell passage is fairly clear. The city of Alexandria uses people as its flora. The whole book is about Justine's (her) confllicts.[/nq]
Perha
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[nq:2]2. This Durrell passage is fairly clear. The city of Alexandria uses people as its flora. The whole book is about Justine's (her) confllicts.[/nq]
[nq:1]Perhaps, but let's add the previous sentence:[/nq]
..
Indeed.
Sorry to not have been able to reply to Don Phillipson's posting, it never showed up on my server, but this is my answer to him:

I have to respectfully di

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