China or Chinese?

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Which one sounds more correct? I should ask, what's their difference? Because I think they are both correct.

1. China market

2. Chinese market

When to use Noun + Noun

of course I know it's not always okay to do that. For example, we won't say China people but Chinese people instead.

Thank you

CalifJim · Accepted Answer

kenny1999When to use Noun + Noun

Use 'Chinese market'. This is a special case, perhaps, because we also use the word "china" to refer to cups, saucers, and plates, so the "china market" would involve the buying and selling of these objects. I think you are referring to something else entirely, like the Chinese stock market.

Unfortunately for learners, there is no hard and fast rule about when the Noun + Noun pattern should be used or avoided. It is more a matter of determining whether native speakers use a particular pattern regularly or whether they avoid it in preference for another.

CJ

Kenny1999 · Answer

CalifJim kenny1999When to use Noun + NounUse 'Chinese market'. This is a special case, perhaps, because we also use the word "china" to refer to cups, saucers, and plates, so the "china market" would involve the buying and selling of these objects. I think you are referring to something else entirely, like the Chinese stock market.Unfortunately for learners, there is no hard and fast rule about when the Noun + Noun pattern should be used or avoided. It is more a matter of determining whether native speakers use a particular pattern regularly or whether they avoid it in preference for another.CJ

Do you mean that

" China market " refers to a market that involves trading of objects like cups, saucers and plates etc.

while "Chinese market" refers to any market that involves Chinese people?

OK

but how about "China weather" and "Chinese weather"? (When it comes to talking about the weather in China)

I know people won't say "Chinese weather", but why

CalifJim · Answer

kenny1999Do you mean that" China market " refers to a market that involves trading of objects like cups, saucers and plates etc.

I mean that it could. I don't know for certain whether anyone uses that phrase, but the phrase can certainly have that meaning.

kenny1999"Chinese market" refers to any market that involves Chinese people?

I can't speak for allsuch markets, but it certainly applies to the Chinese stock market and (another meaning of "market") a grocery market that specializes in Chinese foods and products. You would not use "China market" for either of these.

kenny1999how about "China weather" and "Chinese weather"

Weather does not belong to any particular country, so you will not have any need for either of these. There is no such thing as "American weather", "French rain", "Japanese wind", or "Swedish snow". These things (rain, wind, snow) are the same everywhere. You'll have to say "the weather in China".

CJ

Kenny1999 · Answer

CalifJim kenny1999Do you mean that" China market " refers to a market that involves trading of objects like cups, saucers and plates etc.I mean that it could. I don't know for certain whether anyone uses that phrase, but the phrase can certainly have that meaning.kenny1999"Chinese market" refers to any market that involves Chinese people?I can't speak for allsuch markets, but it certainly applies to the Chinese stock market and (another meaning of "market") a grocery market that specializes in Chinese foods and products. You would not use "China market" for either of these.kenny1999how about "China weather" and "Chinese weather"Weather does not belong to any particular country, so you will not have any need for either of these. There is no such thing as "American weather", "French rain", "Japanese wind", or "Swedish snow". These things (rain, wind, snow) are the same everywhere. You'll have to say "the weather in China".CJ

OK, I know that an adjective is used to modify / describe a noun.

A weather couldn't be a "Chinese weather" because a weather couldn't look like any country. It doesn't make sense.

But We can say a "Chinese man" because we can determine that he looks like a Chinese or speaks Chinese.

How about "Italy pizza" and "Italian pizza"?

I think there are some people saying " Italy pizza" but some says "Italian pizza"

Can you comment on this?

Thank you.

CalifJim · Answer

kenny1999I think there are some people saying " Italy pizza"

That's wrong. We must find them and punish them as soon as possible.

CJ

Cool-friend · Answer

you may use "Chinese market" referring to the market which is considered to involve the Chinese products...
while "China market" is the market named "China", mentioning the name o the market, which doesn't not necessarily involve Chinese products

Kenny1999 · Answer

CalifJim kenny1999I think there are some people saying " Italy pizza"That's wrong. We must find them and punish them as soon as possible. CJ

Punish Google. There are just so many results showing out when you type "Italy Pizza

Dimsumexpress · Answer

Along CJ's explanation, I 'd like to add a couple of comments. In the context of trade and world finance, it is possible to hear "China market" in very specific usage, However, I would like to point out the possessive form: " China's rampant inflation " ..." is more likely.

Behind China's Rare Earth Controversy - Forbes
www.forbes.com/sites/.../06/.../behind-china's-rare-earth-controversy/1 day ago – China's near-monopoly of rare-earth minerals may be coming to an end, but that didn't stop the U.S., Canada, Japan and the EU from filing a ...
China's Central Bank Willing To Share $3 Trillion - Forbes
www.forbes.com/.../china's-central-bank-willing-to-share-3-trillion/

For the weather question, "China weather" is not possible because "weather" refers to a localized change of natural elements. If you want to make a reference to the climate of certain region in China, I would say this: Northern China's climate is extremely cold during the winter.

CalifJim · Answer

kenny1999so many results showing out when you type "Italy Pizza

True, but you have to realize that not every instance of the words Italy and pizza together is a case of the expression "Italy pizza", in the meaning "Italian pizza". Those two words can be in two different word groups, but Google will list it just as if the expression were really "Italy pizza" as a single group.

[In all parts of Italy] [pizza is baked by masters who have ...]
[In Italy] [pizza dough can be found ...]
[Bite of Italy] - [Pizza Making]

And the two words might just be separate words in a list.

Naples - Italy - Pizza
Italy: Pizza Margherita
Venice, Italy: Pizza on Vimeo.

Mostly, however, the word Italy occurs as the last word of a brand name of pizza. "Little Italy Pizza", for example, is pizza made by the company or restaurant named "Little Italy", so it means Pizza made by "Little Italy" - not "Italy pizza" that is little.

[Little Italy] Pizza
[Two Guys from Italy] Pizza
[Three Brothers from Italy] Pizza
[Slice of Italy] Pizza
[Taste of Italy] Pizza
[Gina's Bit of Italy] Pizza
[Gino's of Italy] Pizza

Apparently there is a restaurant, or maybe several, simply called "Italy", and in that case "Italy Pizza" is pizza made by the company called "Italy". This expression is not an attempt to convey the idea "Italian pizza", however.

CJ

Kenny1999 · Answer

how about "China soccer" or "Chinese soccer"

what's their difference?

If I want to refer to the community of soccer in China or anything related to soccer in China.

Thank you.

Sorry CJ. Can you make it simpler? I still don't understand what's the difference between Italy pizza and Italian pizza

Thank you!

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