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Taka Posted 11 years ago
Grammar

Certain

They made certain noises to communicate their alarm to others.

About the underlined part, is it a modifier of "certain noises"? Or is it the same as "in order to communicate…"?
  

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Taka is it the same as "in order to communicate…"? Yes.

  • Taka is it the same as "in order to communicate…"?
  • Yes.
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Taka is it the same as "in order to communicate…"?
Yes.
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What about these two, MM?

He used the right tools to fix his bike.
He used certain tools to fix his bike.

Still the same as "in order to fix…"?
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The first seems more adjectival to me; I don't know why, but it is obviously semantic, not syntactic.
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OK, then what about this, without "right"?

He used the tools to fix his bike.

Does it still seem adjectival?
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TakaDoes it still seem adjectival?
Nope. Now I see 'in order to'.
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Interesting. It seems like "certain" works as a restrictive word like the article "the" and there is no need for further modification by to-infinitive.

Just out of interest, would you come up with an example where "to do" of "certain+noun+to do" is a modifier of the noun in front and "do" is intransitive or transitive with an object?
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Taka would you come up with an example where "to do" of "certain+noun+to do" is a modifier of the noun in front and "do" is intransitive or transitive with an object?
Too much work!
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I take it as meaning that you cannot easily come up with one, which also means that such examples are quite rare.

Thanks, MM!
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When I entered her studio, I noticed certain tools to sculpt clay.

I think that matches your syntactic requirement: "certain" + noun +
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Thanks for the example. Very interesting.

In your example, "He used certain tools to fix his bike," there's some ambiguity whether you're describing the kind of tools (bike-fixing tools) or whether your describing the reason for their use.
OH, so it's basically ambiguous. I see.

Thank you!

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