Can the inclusiveness of "the + noun (pl)" mean "any"?

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Hello everybody.When we use "the + noun (pl)", we are talking about all of a group. I don't understand if "the + noun (pl)" can mean "any" in some sentences like in that I provide below. In my examples I assume that I didn't talk before about the books so they are mentioned for the first time.So, when one says:1. "I ordered the books of the author.",it means that he/she ordered all the books of the author.It cannot mean "some".However! :2. "If you ordered the books of the author...",Q: can it mean "if you ordered any books of the author"?3. "If you order the books of the author...",Q: can it mean "if you order any books of the author"?Worth saying that I encounter sentences like:"If the users of the device do not follow the safety recommendations, they...",that looks confusing. What I learnt is that "the + noun (pl)" means "all the", not "any".Thanks.

Fivejedjon · Accepted Answer

It's difficult to respond to this because no native speaker would say "I ordered the books of the author". Even if you name the author, a sentence such as "I ordered the books of George Orwell"  needs a rather unnatural context.

Nkspb · Answer

Fivejedjon, thank you for the reply. I agree, the 1st sentence is not very natural.

I think I can come up with a more natural example:

"Do you see some books on the table? When you read the books, pay attention to the characters and plot"

I understand this like when you read any of them... The statement is either true if the listener doesn't plan to read all of them.

1) Am I correct?

Another example:

"When you ask the workers of the company what their responsibilities are, what do you expect to hear?"

Maybe because of some inner feeling I am not sure if it can connote "any workers". I think it means that if you have asked all the workers (not any of them, all workers), what do you expect that group will answer you?

2. Am I correct? If I am correct in both questions, is there any explanation to the differences between the first and second examples?

Thanks.

Fivejedjon · Answer

nkspb"Do you see some books on the table? When you read the books, pay attention to the characters and plot"I understand this like when you read any of them... The statement is either true if the listener doesn't plan to read all of them.1) Am I correct?

No. the way the sentence is expressed, the reference is to all of the books. The listener's intentions do not change this.

Similarly, in "When you ask the workers of the company what their responsibilities are, what do you expect to hear?" the reference is to all of the workers.

Nkspb · Answer

Thanks for the answer.

Talking of the first example I think that yes, the reference is to all the books, but it doesn't mean that I talk the listener that "if he reads all of them, pay attention. If you read some of them, not necessarily" . It means if you read any of the books on the table, pay attention.

In the same way, the second example about workers doesn't connote "what do you expect to here when you gathered all the workers of the company and asked them a question", it connotes "if you ask any of the workers of the company..."

And is there a way to explain "If the users of the device do not follow the safety recommendations, they..."

Because here it is said "the users" - yes the reference to all users, but don't think that it means - "if all the users everywhere do not follow..., it is if any users do not.. (any from the set of users). Therefore my examples can be the same - I talk about "any within a defined set".

Am I correct?

Fivejedjon · Answer

nkspbTalking of the first example I think that yes, the reference is to all the books, but it doesn't mean that I talk the listener that "if he reads all of them, pay attention. If you read some of them, not necessarily" . It means if you read any of the books on the table, pay attention.

Such questions may be of interest to students of logic, but mean little to most people.

"Do you see some books on the table? When you read the books, pay attention to the characters and plot."

Neither speaker nor listener have any thought about whether or not the instruction to pay attention to the character and plot applies if and only if all the books are read. This does suggest that the instruction applies to a person reading any one or more, but not all, of the books, but only a logician would look at the words in that way.

If you are studying logic, then your questions are very important. If you are trying to master the use of articles in English in order to be able to use the language more effectively, I think you are creating more difficulties than you are resolving.

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