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Anonymous Posted 17 years ago
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By 1813 they died / By 1813 they had died

Hello.

What is the difference in meaning?

- By 1813 they died.

- By 1813 they had died.

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Anonymous - By 1813 they died. - By 1813 they had died. The second one is not grammatically correct, the simple past is used with a specific point while the past perfect is used to describe something that happened before a specific point in the past.

  • Anonymous - By 1813 they died.
  • - By 1813 they had died.
  • The second one is not grammatically correct, the simple past is used with a specific point while the past perfect is used to describe something that happened before a specific point in the past.
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Anonymous- By 1813 they died. 

- By 1813 they had died.
The second one is not grammatically correct, the simple past is used with a specific point 
while the past perfect is used to describe something that happened before a specific point in the past.
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YoungBuddy
while the past perfect is used to describe something that happened before a specific point in the past.


Isn't that exactly what is happening here? Time starts; they die; the year 1813 comes to pass; the present is here. "They would be knighted in 1813 --- unfortunately, by 1813 they had died." (they died sometime before 1813)
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I agree with ferdis, the past perfect is correctly used. I don't much like the first sentence, it would be better as "By 1813 they were dead."
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ferdis(note he says 'by', not 'in')
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AnonymousWhat is the difference in meaning?

- By 1813 they died.

- By 1813 they had died.
The difference is not so much in the meaning, but in the point of view. In the first case, you're telling the story in a certain order. You're thinking in terms of a time line from, say, 1800 to 1850.

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